i'd rather have it as an add-on with your motorola and such you have no choice and that's all you can program in... talk about boring!
no, nothing boring. not only motorola but many other vendors. nokia alone is commited to put java to 50 millions of phones this year only. and since this year more and more phones will start having color displays so to play mobile games one does not need to have smartphone or pda.
absobloodolutely not boring!!! indeede!
don't you get: number of mobile phones being sold worldwide is many times more than number of PDAs... and since phones are already "connected" both through wireless carier network and also some by Bluetooth, then multiplayer gaming is a breeze..
I have nothing against PDAs, I own iPAQ, but sometimes small nice neat mobile phone is just better for some things like MP3 playing, phone calling, internet connecting, mobile playing....
only Java and BREW make it possible. See my web site below to get some overview what I am talking about. I am still waiting for SDK for smartphone from picosoft, sorry, nanosoft, sorry, microsoft...
I get what your saying do you get what I am saying? Big deal if Java is on a billion phones if the phones have no power to do anything with it, what the MS smartphone brings to the table is the ability to be connected not only to people but to all my information all of the time from financial to contacts all in one seemless package.If i have Java in addition that's great,however try getting activesync to run on your nokia, you can't how about msn messenger, how about seemless integration with existing proucts you own and run, JPZR i bet you use windows (95% of the world does) wouldn't like your phone to be able to utilize the power of your desktop or the ubiquity of them being around? Face it if your looking for integration you need more than Java, Java is nice tool but it doesn't supply everything a end-user wants desires and needs, and you still would have to portstuff to Java that is already written in C or visual basic why not be able to utilize both?
Face it if your looking for integration you need more than Java, Java is nice tool but it doesn't supply everything a end-user wants desires and needs, and you still would have to portstuff to Java that is already written in C or visual basic why not be able to utilize both?
I agree with you entropy1980. This is strong point of picosoft that they have everything in 1 hand. Thus integration of let's say, gaming on XBox and gaming on mobile phones and syncing to WindowsXP they could do in seemles way and they have .net and it whole set of web services. So indeedee, plastic fantastic, you are right, java alone cannot beat it.
anyway, isn't it kind of appealing, that you write, shmidlet in java and it runs on 1 billion phones? picoshoft, i.e. micro-scoft, wants to have 100 million of phones with their shmartphone by 2006 but by this time there will be 1 billion of phones with java. so with integration or without this is also appealing.
pity that we cannot have everything in 1: sendo z100 with shmartphone will have java but other microshoft babies will not. microsheet could put j2me/midp (small java) on his phones and also C# and .net and it would kick a*s out of any compeition but not, they hate java. why, oh why, cannot be peace and cooperation.
and what is with mobile Linux, this Sharp is sharp, isn't it? Qtopia is cool... Java shmava, who care, but where the heck is SDK for shmartphone from microscott ? hm, big secret heh?
jpzr going to cebit with camera to make some shots of phones with mobile execution environments so we will see to what extent this big mouths are really ready to the market.... time to market! plastic fantastic, this is holy sheet, most important issue. how fast time to market is with C# or VB.net in comparison to Java?
execution my friend is key and no players aside from maybe nokia have it so Java isn't as big a deal as it sounds plus all the phones (1 billion) will have different specs and be able to run things differently so you don't have the exact uniformity you speak of, right now the ubiquity of Java is a as much of a pipe dream if not more so than .Net
execution my friend is key and no players aside from maybe nokia have it so Java isn't as big a deal as it sounds plus all the phones (1 billion) will have different specs and be able to run things differently so you don't have the exact uniformity you speak of, right now the ubiquity of Java is a as much of a pipe dream if not more so than .Net
Why doesn't anyone listen to me? There is J2ME/MIDP standard and thus all the phones will be able to run some common denominator of functionality without problems, this java baby has a few surpises left in her sweethear.
You must unlearn what you have learned: cell phone business is unlike any other microvadersoft empires.
You can call me a mindless philosopher, but I have a feeling that The force is with you, young shmartphone OS from microvadersoft, but you are not on market yet! For now shmartphone is a malfunctioning little twerp because I ain't seen any SDK yet!!! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. And when I can do soft for shmartphone if there is no SDK yet? In 2006?
I doesn't matter if it executes the same i am talking the hardware power, it's like running XP on a Pentium 1 and then on a Pentium 4 your going to have the same problem with your Java pipedream, at least with the smartphone there is some level of standard so if you write something expecting a certain level of horsepower you will have it, Java on multi-platform phones is a mixed bag you never know what your going to get, is it black and white? does it have a control pad, does it have external speakers with a sound chip, does it have an ample processor to handle running.... you won't know at least with the smartphone you have a standard by which all smartphones will run a bare minimum, java you get who knows?
I doesn't matter if it executes the same i am talking the hardware power, it's like running XP on a Pentium 1 and then on a Pentium 4 your going to have the same problem with your Java pipedream
Whoa. All I can tell you is that Java midlet can sense the environment and adapt to it appropriately, it is like games for PC that are showing more or less details accordingly to underlying hardware.
Welcome to the real world: microshoft way where it is enforcing some "standard" is not realistic because business is business and sometimes earning money is more important than maintaining processing power standards.
Look, entropy1980. Right now there's one rule: be profitable or die.
You cannot change people to adapt to microshofts ideas of shmarphones - that is impossible. Instead try to understand the truth. What truth? There is no place for any monopoly in mobile phones industry.
Do you hear that, Mr. entropy1980? That is the sound of inevitability. 1 billion of phones with Java when microshoft will have less than 50 milions with its shmarphone...
And to microshoft I can only say, as far as their shmartphone SDK is concerned: stop trying to hit me and hit me! Without seeing it I cannot say nothing more. I see only propaganda. Microshoft has you, entropy1980. And I am still open to all possibilities, I don't say no, maybe I will enter matrix, i.e. microshoft, but first let me see SDK so that I could compare...
Smartphone 2002 SDK is out in beta. See http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/developer/default.asp : "The Smartphone 2002 SDK is still in Beta phase, and is available only to members of the Microsoft Mobile Solutions Partner Program (MSPP). To get access to the Beta SDK, you must first sign up to the MSPP."
Smartphone 2002 SDK is out in beta. See http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/developer/default.asp : "The Smartphone 2002 SDK is still in Beta phase, and is available only to members of the Microsoft Mobile Solutions Partner Program (MSPP). To get access to the Beta SDK, you must first sign up to the MSPP."
Bullsh*t. I was trying to join MSPP but they rejected me, one needs to be servile slave of Microshoft to become MSPP. Shortly speaking it is NOT AVAILABLE.
If somebody can put it on some other server I would be more than glad to download it and to evaluate it and compare with Java...
This is not bullsh*t, it *is* available, but only to a selected group. You asked where it was, I pointed you in the direction. The fact that it's not available for *you* does not mean it does not exist, or others can not create software with it for the Smartphone 2002 platform. I don't think your description "one needs to be servile slave of Microshoft to become MSPP" is in the guidelines of becoming MSPP. I don't know what went wrong with your application, but don't oversimplify things please.
What you ask to put the SDK on a server to let you play with it is not right either. I wouldn't advise anyone to do this. It is a closed not public beta release, and redistributing that kind of software is simply not legal. And yes, I'm a servile slave of the law, so I do mind. I guess what you need to do is wait until the final release of the SDK is published, or the beta goes public. Knowing MS Mobile Devices policy on the SDK, it will probably be available for a public download.
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