[jdhill]

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[jdhill]

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Originally Posted by jdhill

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[PPCRules]

Originally Posted by mememe

What the Mac has going for it is the fact that it works more often with less issues than a Wintel machine.. Is this Intel's fault, no... but it sure the hell is Microsoft's...

I don't think that's fair to say.

Apple can make an operating system that works on their own and only their own hardware. That's a no brainer; it had better be more robust.

Microsoft has to deal with everybody else's idea of how to build hardware, which continually changes. Plus, then users upgrade their machines with another plethera of manufacturers' products. That's a hard bill to fill, but having those choices is also why most of us buy PCs.

It's not someone's fault. It's the way it is. And you use that when you weigh what computer you are going to buy.

Will someone's mother have less setup/operational issues with a Mac? Probably. If that's the highest criteria, there you go.

[Perry Reed]

Just saw this today and thought it was appropriate for this thread: <http://bbspot.com/News/2000/7/new_macs.html>

WARNING! It's a bit off-color...

[ricktakagi]

I would love to move to a mac, I love the look of the new imac. I don't do a lot of gaming or hardcore use of the computer so speed and muscle are not a major requirement.

The only thing holding me back is a way to sync my PPC with the Mac, a product exist called pocketmac but it doesn't sync email. I'm hoping and have heard that the new isync software from Apple will cover that.

Rick

[wiredguy]

Originally Posted by denivan

Lol, the dvd writer that is used in the mac is just one of the standards that is used in the PC world. So this translates into : on the PC, there are mutltiple standards that can be used, on the Mac, they picked out one of those standards for you and you can't choose to use another standard. Is this bad, no. Is this good, no. It's just a way of thinking. But you hardly can say that they had the first dvd writable standard.

What I meant is... it's finally a standard OS wide. This way anyone with a mac knows they have the same writable DVD that another MAC has. PC manufacturers are to concerned about being the originator of a standard... and don't care about the consumers experience.

I don't believe there can be more than one Standard... so all the PC DVD writers are really just wanna-be standards.

Same with USB... there were other "standards" to choose from... but Apple made a choice to simplify the consumer experience. PC vendors may have lots of standards... but that doesn't benefit consumers.

[wiredguy]

Originally Posted by PPCRules

I don't think that's fair to say.

Apple can make an operating system that works on their own and only their own hardware. That's a no brainer; it had better be more robust.

Microsoft has to deal with everybody else's idea of how to build hardware, which continually changes. Plus, then users upgrade their machines with another plethera of manufacturers' products. That's a hard bill to fill, but having those choices is also why most of us buy PCs.

It's not someone's fault. It's the way it is. And you use that when you weigh what computer you are going to buy.

Will someone's mother have less setup/operational issues with a Mac? Probably. If that's the highest criteria, there you go.

Who cares why Mac can make a more robust system... they still do it. To explain that Windows has an unfair disadvantage (and that "it's just the way it is") doesn't change the fact that a Mac is easier to setup and use.

It's Microsoft's fault for not doing something about it. I heard something about them making hardware... maybe that'll hold up better.

I'd like to see Bill G stand up and say... sorry folks, PCs crash... "that's just the way it is" . That would almost beat the Balmer Monkey video clip.

[ricktakagi]

This was an interesting read that came out today. Maybe Apples time is coming or at least coming up from just a niche OS.

I think it's exciting when Apple comes out with something new, I don't get to excited when dell comes out with a new box.

Anyway, check out the article.

http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/...0602/222182050


Rick T.

[Jonathan1]

Unfortunately if you want to get the heck away from the MS monopoly Apple is really the only game in town. Linux sminux. Linux is 3rd in line when it comes to "standard" software showing up on its platform. Sorry but GIMP ain't Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro. Apple comes next but god I hate the GUI on OS X. Its pretty…that's a given but actual use makes me sick sort of like motion sickness but with an OS.
Then you have windows. If it weren't for the fact that the OS is run by the most morally corrupt company on the planet (This is a company that could probably teach Enron a few lesions.) I would say that Windows is THE OS of choice. As it stands its like dancing with the devil on the edge of a precipitous that leads to hell. If you aren't careful MS…sorry the devil will take you down with him. :twisted:

PS- If I ever meet Jobs in real life I'll break his nose for killing the Newton. The only Apple that I've ever owned and loved was the Newton. The perfect form factor. The perfect handwriting recog. The perfect batt life. The perfect screen. And that SOB killed it because it wasn't his baby. :twisted: Gates may be evil but Jobs is insane. :cry: WAAAAAA I want my Newton back!

[brianchris]

Maybe Mac's have changed in OSX, but here are some *personal* prime examples of why I prefer PC's over Mac's:

-Supporting one user who was having problems, OS error message appeared with an icon of a time bomb (complete with fuse), indicating "a serious error has occured with your system, please call 1(800)xxx-xxxx." That was it......no mention of what the error was, no jumping out to DOS, nothing.....just like fisher price, my first personal computer.

-Another user wanted to start using an old PowerMac desktop that had been sitting unused in their garage for months to a year or so. Couldn't power it on so brought it to me.....I guessed it was a dead motherboard battery (CMOS), and went to open up the case to replace the battery.....for the life of me, I could not find out how to open the case, and this is someone who has opened hundreds of Intel cases. So I search apple's site for a manual or other instructions on how to open the case.....nothing. So I call apple, and ask how I open the case? "Oh, we don't support users opening their cases, please take it to an Apple autorized repair facililty." WTF!! Just to open the case? This was stright from Apple, so their is no arguing with me. They don't trust, and don't want their users opening their cases.

-For a while I worked for a conference center, where a great deal of laptop presentations where given and I was responsible (among other things) for supporting the presenters with their laptops and our hardware. While the majorty were windows laotps, they were all much easier to display, usually by toggling a function key (i.e. F8 ), where as Mac's you needed to go into the OS and switch on "Video Mirroring." 98% of Mac laptop users had never heard of that.

-Three words......"no right click."

The first three examples are facts...they happened to me plain and simple, no arguing with them. That right click thing can be considered an opinion, but really, only a left click? Why?

Hey, after all that, if there are other benefits of Macs that one sees which outway some of the problems I've personally run into, then I am all for *you* buying a Mac, really. But personally, I will never touch one with a 10' pole, and please don't try to convince me that a Mac is better and I should own one because your "mom has never had a problem with hers." I'd probably consider recomending a Mac to my Mom as well, but not me.

-Brian