I guess the question is "What is normal"? I classify myself as normal (although my wife would argue this in numerous areas).
I would look at a person who has a PDA, cell phone and standalone GPS as normal. I would not expect this person to have an MP3 player as I think that this feature is widely promoted when you go to buy A PDA.
I personally have a Toshiba E800, cell phone, Pharos GPS (mouse type to my E800) and a 4 Gig Microdrive. I use my PDA for MP3's, navigation and personal/work use. To me and you this is probably normal, to the guy that I used in the example above, I think he would probably think it normal as well but maybe not. The difference between him and me is that I looked around for the technology that would allow me to make more use of my PDA.
The other question is integration, how much do you want to keep in one unit? Me, I personally wouldn't want a cellphone in my PDA, but having an MP3 player and GPS capability I look at as fully logical.
I guess what I am saying is where do you classify someone as normal? The person who has all these items seperately or the person who integrates them all into one or two devices?
As much as I dislike the degeneration of the discussion into Us versus Them, it is true: the needs desires and of the tech savvy will always outstrip the needs and desires of the general public..
Ooo. Can I get a Law named after me now? Moore's Law......WindWalker's Law? 0X
I guess the question is "What is normal"? I classify myself as normal (although my wife would argue this in numerous areas).
I understand that. I am an opera singing computer analyst with a bent towards comic books. Normal how?
I think, as I stated in my previous post, that it is not a question of who's normal, just who is more technically savvy. As the things we enjoy and demand move into the mainstream, our needs and desires change, as we prefer bigger, better, faster, more (please note: I am not deliberately quoting 4 Non Blondes).
When it comes to music, all one needs to do is look at the programming patterns of the Top 40/Pop style stations. Note that their playlists are so short as to be....well, painful. now, translate that into the masses, who are willing to accept a short playlist. Even those that claim "a greater variety" only need to have a playlist of 40-80 different songs to demonstrate variety, at least to the average listener. "Variety," for most radio listenters, is "I hear my favorite song at least once every few days," I think. If this is the case (and frankly, I have no data to back this up, but when has that stopped anyone from making a statement?), 4 GB is more than enough, at least until the general public decides that clones of Britany, Limp Bizkit, and the rest of it aren't good enough.
I would look at a person who has a PDA, cell phone and standalone GPS as normal. I would not expect this person to have an MP3 player as I think that this feature is widely promoted when you go to buy A PDA.
True, but fact is, a dedicated MP3 player will always be better at it then your PPC. It has better battery life and more memory then your PPC - and it's far cheaper per mb. I have a PPC, but I also carry around the 10 gigabyte monster, because I get three days of music with one charge, and it's got every song I ever heard on it. My PPC can't do that.
Those of you with 30 gigs of music consist of like 1% of computer users. There are those of us who:
1. Don't collect that much music
2. Purchase our music instead of mass downloading and transferring gigs at a time
3. Are satisfied swapping music in/out of our limited-capacity players.
The reason I have not bought a 40GB player is that I realize I'm paying hundreds of space I really don't want. Since when do people want to pay for things they don't want? Selling a 40GB jukebox is like trying to sell joe schmoe a mac truck.
4GB is perfect from a market perspective. It's big enough to hold the entire music collection for many people. And after you filter out all the songs that you really don't want to listen to, it's big enough to hold enough such that you'd never have to swap music.
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Those of you with 30 gigs of music consist of like 1% of computer users.
It certainly would be interesting to see the actual statistic. Most folks I know, are getting 15Gb or much larger players, so I think that the number of folk looking for 30Gb or larger, form more than 1% of the demand. I feel a poll coming along at some point........
I haven't even talked about using these for computer backups or storing digital photos etc.
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There are those of us who:
1. Don't collect that much music
2. Purchase our music instead of mass downloading and transferring gigs at a time
3. Are satisfied swapping music in/out of our limited-capacity players.
1.) Fair enough - many folk I know have much larger collections than I do.
2). Personally I own all my music on CD - apart from a few CDs I borrowed from friends and ripped to try out. If I like them, I buy them, if not, they get deleted.
3. Life's too short to keep swapping music around. :wink:
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4GB is perfect from a market perspective. It's big enough to hold the entire music collection for many people. And after you filter out all the songs that you really don't want to listen to, it's big enough to hold enough such that you'd never have to swap music.
And it's small enough not to cost $350.
Personally I listed to albums - even if there are one or two duff tracks, in general I will listen to the whole thing - no filtering.
The cost is a valid point however - but for not much more than the cost of the 4Gb devices you can get a 15Gb etc device that holds whole lot more songs.
Currently I listen to about 10-20 artists at any one given time on my pocket pc and with good compression i can fit then on my 512mb card (total collection around 40 gigs at either 128 or 192mp3).
Space isn't everything and i set out to prove it with a piece of software i published about a month ago called Zerama ToGo. I was planning on picking up a 4gig but the convenience of Zerama ToGo has made that sorta unnecessary. After reading this thread I thought you guys my find some interest in my music syncing utility, if so, take a look @ www.zerama.net.
OK, I’ll bite on this one. I’ve been collecting CDs since 1986. Between mine and my wife’s CDs we share about 460. Which isn’t much. About 25 a year. I have ripped them all to the pc to listen to while I work and so on. Bought a 256 mg player and like it a lot Load music on it for a work out and it rocks. When I travel though it becomes a different story. I can anticipate what I might want to listen too a day or two down the road but it never works out that way. I so damn fickle that I never have what I want when I want it. So I bought a Nomad Zen Xtra. 30Gb. All of my cds fit with a little room left over for growth. Now if I want to listen to a song and it’s not on me. I don’t own it period.
I tried keeping music on my Ipaq but you know, with the jukebox I only have to transfer the music once. Time isn’t spent anticipating future listening wants. It’s all there all the time. My ipaq battery can be spent on more useful tasks. If my jukebox breaks I will not be nearly as upset or setback as if my Ipaq would break.
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It certainly would be interesting to see the actual statistic. Most folks I know, are getting 15Gb or much larger players, so I think that the number of folk looking for 30Gb or larger, form more than 1% of the demand.
But who do you associate with?
My utterly approximate data suggests that some people do indeed own a lot of CDs, but most of them ignore the vast majority of them -- and there's a sizeable population that don't have that many. I find myself an exception, having 17GB of music perfectly ripped and organized in iTunes.
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Originally Posted by Jonathon Watkins
It certainly would be interesting to see the actual statistic. Most folks I know, are getting 15Gb or much larger players, so I think that the number of folk looking for 30Gb or larger, form more than 1% of the demand.
But who do you associate with?
Fair point. To clarify, the folks that I know *that are buying digital players* are getting large ones. OK?
Um, great but what about the other 99% of people
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