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Old 03-05-2008, 03:25 PM
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Question for DST fans: why not just go to work earlier?
 
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:41 PM
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No idea if this one is true or not... but i heard that they are outlawing incandescent light bulbs in 4 years or so, everything will have to be florescent. Argh!
At which time we will be experiencing the biggest toxic waste crisis the country has ever had, and flourescents will be banned and we'll be switching to LED lighting. Let's get off this flourescent thing (likely driven by manufacturers' lobbyists) and go right to LED a couple years later [than the flourescent timeline].

As for DST, I'd back year-around DST. I'm skeptical of this report; I'd suspect it comes out a wash, but I think the convenience favors doing DST. Switching twice a year probably cost national productivity more than any actual cost difference for one mode or the other, so just switch and stay there.
 
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:00 PM
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Ed,

What you're not factoring in here is the businesses that make extra money by running later in the day due to increased lighting. Businesses that by their very nature could not start earlier in the day regardless or the light.

Many service businesses need that extra daylight to complete their workday and by doing away with it, you woul dcost them many extra dollars.

EXAMPLE: I am a home inspector. During the summer months I can complete 1-2 more inspections per day. At $300 per inspection that adds up to alot of extra income. No, I cannot start earlier because people don't want me showing up at their house at 5 or 6 in the morning!

I just don't feel that its a fair assessment to only consider energy savings or loss.
 
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:34 PM
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Question for DST fans: why not just go to work earlier?
Maybe we should ask our bosses that? I realize that time is relative and I could call it what I want, but my boss expects me to work from 8am-5pm for whatever the local time is declared to be, so DST gives me an extra hour of daylight after work in the summer. Yeah, if I could work from 7-4 then it wouldn't make a difference but that's not an option for everyone. ... AND ... if most people did choose to work from 7-4 then they would be waking up earlier and coming home earlier, so the energy cost would be the same as if you had DST and people worked the same exact hours but called it 8-5.

Anyway, count me as one of those people who wish we could have DST all year round!
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:57 PM
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Question for DST fans: why not just go to work earlier?
Maybe we should ask our bosses that? I realize that time is relative and I could call it what I want, but my boss expects me to work from 8am-5pm for whatever the local time is declared to be, so DST gives me an extra hour of daylight after work in the summer. Yeah, if I could work from 7-4 then it wouldn't make a difference but that's not an option for everyone. ... AND ... if most people did choose to work from 7-4 then they would be waking up earlier and coming home earlier, so the energy cost would be the same as if you had DST and people worked the same exact hours but called it 8-5.
Not everyone keeps the same hours. All owners, many managers, and some workers are free to set their own as long as businesses remain open during peak/core times. Sunlight fans can arrive and leave early, places institute summer hours if they like, and everyone just gets on with their life. "Switch the clock days" are neither necessary nor desirable.
 
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Old 03-05-2008, 07:40 PM
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"Switch the clock days" are neither necessary nor desirable.
You mean of course: for you. For me they are in fact desirable and considering that I don't live in a perfect world where I can set my own hours they are in fact necessary for me to enjoy that extra hour of daylight.
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Old 03-05-2008, 07:59 PM
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"Switch the clock days" are neither necessary nor desirable.
You mean of course: for you. For me they are in fact desirable and considering that I don't live in a perfect world where I can set my own hours they are in fact necessary for me to enjoy that extra hour of daylight.
So it's acceptable to adjust everyone's clocks by government mandate? With that kind of ability to impose your will on others, finding a job where you can arrive and leave an hour earlier should be trivial.
 
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:18 PM
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Default Politics on Pocketpcthoughts

I haven't quite understood why Ed Hansberry has to use the Pocketpcthoughts to show off his political opinions (and his political ignorance, including labelling a conservative politian in Europe an example of "commies"). But then, people with strong views (but limited knowledge of politics) may find it difficult to find an audience when they do not control the media.

I suggest that Ed Hansberry rushes to protest against politicians in this case too:

http://www.pocketpcaddict.com/forums...ext-level.html

Personaly, I think this site would do well by sticking to what they know about. And, certainly, reporting about it when DST seems to be counterproducitive.

But Ed's edit of the PPT isn't necessarily one of the site's strenghts.
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:24 PM
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So it's acceptable to adjust everyone's clocks by government mandate? With that kind of ability to impose your will on others, finding a job where you can arrive and leave an hour earlier should be trivial.
Sure. Why not? If you don't like it, start a petition and take action. If enough people agree that DST should be eliminated then eventually it will. Random complaints about the reach of big government are entertaining on blogs (although way off topic here, for which I am being just as guilty, sorry) but serve little practical purpose (aside from letting off steam I guess).

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Old 03-05-2008, 11:37 PM
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I haven't quite understood why Ed Hansberry has to use the Pocketpcthoughts to show off his political opinions (and his political ignorance, including labelling a conservative politian in Europe an example of "commies").
Personaly, I think this site would do well by sticking to what they know about. And, certainly, reporting about it when DST seems to be counterproducitive.

But Ed's edit of the PPT isn't necessarily one of the site's strenghts.
Christopher
Well, to each their own, I guess. One of the things I enjoy most about PPCT is that all posts aren't strictly PPC related. There are several sites out there that do a very good job of delivering strictly PPC news, however this one gives us not only the news, but also "views, rants and raves".

I know nothing of the politician you speak, but do know that US politics lean quite a bit further to the right than European. It's said that our most liberal politician would be the most conservative in most European countries, so there is probably a bit of a culture gap in Ed's view and yours.

Having said all of this, keep in mind, I don't agree with many of Ed's opinions, but again the beauty of this site is that you can disagree as long as you stay civil.

I would say the link provided shows more of "The Nanny State" at work. Imagine the government spending tax dollars to protect people who are distracted of their own accord from walking into a metal pole! I'd imagine most people are bright enough to only do it once, and if not, then perhaps it's helping prove "Survival of the Fittest".
 
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