[Vincent M Ferrari]

I have to say, they showed it in a promotional video and it didn't look too onerous to me...

[Vincent M Ferrari]

I have to say, they showed it in a promotional video and it didn't look too onerous to me...

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by Vincent M Ferrari

I have to say, they showed it in a promotional video and it didn't look too onerous to me...

I'd have to agree - it really doesn't look that bad. The PMC is a really great UI for the most part...

[Vincent M Ferrari]

Just to be sure, I went back and watched the walkthrough again, and Steve has to be talking about bandwidth. To share song it's literally three clicks.

Click on the song
Click on the Send menu item
Click the Zune you want to send it to.

I can't imagine that getting any easier, so I seriously doubt that he's talking about how complicated the process is.

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by Vincent M Ferrari

I can't imagine that getting any easier, so I seriously doubt that he's talking about how complicated the process is.

Actually, I think that's exactly what he's talking about: when have you ever seen Jobs be rational about non-Apple products? You know he thinks everything sucks - I've never seen him do anything BUT trash-talk non-Apple products.

[Janak Parekh]

Originally Posted by Vincent M Ferrari

Just to be sure, I went back and watched the walkthrough again, and Steve has to be talking about bandwidth. To share song it's literally three clicks.

Well, by Apple standards, three clicks is probably too much.

Anyway, there have been a ton of reasons given for why Steve said what he said. Amongst others, he's giving a vote of confidence to his investors, who don't want to hear that Apple is running scared. I'm pretty sure that Apple has been testing wireless technologies; after all, the Mac line is one of the few that has had Bluetooth 2.0+EDR implemented across the entire product spectrum for the last year-plus, not to mention the work they've done with AirPort, AirPort Express, etc.

--janak

[Vincent M Ferrari]

Originally Posted by Janak Parekh

Well, by Apple standards, three clicks is probably too much.

Well, we do like our Macs to read minds, Janak...

[rzanology]

listen....i saw the demo...i'd say they pulled the song down in about 10 seconds. thats not bad at all. had you dowbnload that song it would take the same 10 seconds. SO why is it slow??? i dont get it. WHen people think of sharing files from mobile devices they think bluetooth. Not wifi! And here we have it...the NEXT wave of sharing...a whole song can be shared in 10 seconds. how the hell is that slow. This is the reason i cannot stand jobs and his cult. This is much like the 360...from the sony bench all you heard was "oooh they can't even make enough of it....and look...they're offering two diffrent ones??? thats DUMB!" now....low and behold....sony is doing the same...and they too are having problems pushing out a decnt amount of ps3s to the people. Here comes jobs...."oooh thats slow" why is it slow jobs? is it because microsoft beat you to it? What if creative had this on a zen....would it be slow too? Madness!!!!


sorry...just had to vent.

[Janak Parekh]

Originally Posted by rzanology

listen....i saw the demo...i'd say they pulled the song down in about 10 seconds. thats not bad at all. had you dowbnload that song it would take the same 10 seconds. SO why is it slow??? i dont get it. WHen people think of sharing files from mobile devices they think bluetooth. Not wifi!

Actually, the average consumer thinks of swapping earbuds, which takes a second.

Anyway, in my opinion, the 3 plays/3 days/no passing around is the fundamental problem. The transfer time is so-so, but the limitations on playback make it virtually worthless in my opinion. 3 plays is nowhere near enough to determine if I like something or not.

And, of course, there's the fact that Jason pointed out -- you need to beam to someone that only has a Zune. If we didn't have DRM, I'd love to have seen a standard music sharing spec so we could see this implemented across different types of devices...

--janak

[Vincent M Ferrari]

The DRM application thing bothers the hell out of me. In Microsoft's defense, that's still a rumor right now and has yet to be confirmed one way or the other solidly (unless I'm mistaken) so that may not happen.

That being said, as a content producer myself, my work is licensed under a CC license, and if they apply DRM to it while someone shares it, that's a violation of the license on the content. I have a feeling a lot of content producers are going to rally against the Zune solely on those grounds, and that could be devastating for Microsoft.

[rzanology]

hmmmm....i just thought of something. what about songs i rip myself? they dont have drm. will those two be flagged as 3 days/3 times?