Innovations include new and better processors, digital TV, improved keyboard arrangements, more advanced GPS, new UIs etc, Wide VGA.
So though VGA is still a lot less common that QVGA, the choice of advanced VGA models is actually wider than it has ever been. Indeed - most of the biggest names, Toshiba, HP, I-Mate and Sony Ericsson, are all pushing VGA or WVGA models as their flagship devices. Even HTC has obviously seen the Advantage as successful enough to release an update.
the point is we have a problem that so few powerful / VGA devices come out each year.
So though VGA is still a lot less common that QVGA, the choice of advanced VGA models is actually wider than it has ever been. Indeed - most of the biggest names, Toshiba, HP, I-Mate and Sony Ericsson, are all pushing VGA or WVGA models as their flagship devices. Even HTC has obviously seen the Advantage as successful enough to release an update.
I'd like to see you carry the Advantage as a phone. Taking one line out of context, what I's like to see is a subsidized phone from the big carriers like the phones you mentioned above.
I'd like to see you carry the Advantage as a phone.
I wouldn't - but then there are plenty of alternatives.
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Taking one line out of context, what I's like to see is a subsidized phone from the big carriers like the phones you mentioned above.
I didn't take one line out of context. I quoted the line you said summarised your point:
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the point is we have a problem that so few powerful / VGA devices come out each year
Subsidies from phone companies are another matter. Generally phone companies will subsidise those devices that meet their customers' needs. Cameras, GPS, keyboards, email, SMS, MMS etc. - these are what the majority of the billions who buy mobiles want. VGA is not high on most mobile customers' needs - so VGA devices are usually sold to a smaller market unsubsidised. That won't change any time soon.
That said - I-Mate have a deal with Telstra in Australia, HTC have their Advantage with several companies, O2 have the XDA Flame and the Xperia X1 will no doubt be available with phone companies everywhere.
Cameras, GPS, keyboards, email, SMS, MMS etc. - these are what the majority of the billions who buy mobiles want. VGA is not high on most mobile customers' needs - so VGA devices are usually sold to a smaller market unsubsidised. That won't change any time soon.
50 years ago, millions of people are buying Black and White TV, i guess people want/love B&W tv?
10 years ago, all cellphones are BIG AS BRICK! i guess people love cellphones big as BRICK?
50 years ago, millions of people are buying Black and White TV, i guess people want/love B&W tv?
10 years ago, all cellphones are BIG AS BRICK! i guess people love cellphones big as BRICK?
You're rather missing the point - which is that the features that consumers are demanding, and using (thus providing revenue to the phone companies), are cameras, GPS, keyboards, email, SMS, MMS, music playing etc.
There is no great demand for VGA, as VGA doesn't notably improve any of those features. Hardly anyone is going into phone stores and saying 'I want a high resolution device'. It's 'I want cameras' or 'can it play music' etc.
Even for those who want to watch films - in general people are perfectly happy with the HVGA iPhone and QVGA WM devices for that (and, frankly, there isn't much value in encoding a movie at VGA rather than QVGA on a small screen anyway).
The value in colour TV over black and white is obvious and clear to all. The same for smaller phones that are easy to carry. Outside of business people, or tech geeks, how do you sell VGA to them?
Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of VGA. My next PPC will be VGA. I just can't see any pressing reason for phone companies to get behind VGA right now - when the things that are driving mobile phone adoption don't need VGA.
Now when the Xperia X1 is released, then we may see more VGA devices from phone companies in it's wake.
Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of VGA. My next PPC will be VGA. I just can't see any pressing reason for phone companies to get behind VGA right now - when the things that are driving mobile phone adoption don't need VGA.
The fact that Apple has sold more iPhones at more than $300 a pop than all the WM phones put together since it came out SAYS something to the phone companies. It may be the slick interface, the slimness, the nearly indestructable screen, the great battery run time, fast video performance or the higher resolution screen... or all of them put together. The age of the low res screen in a "high end" phone is over because the bar has been raised... maybe not to VGA standards yet, it's only half VGA, but QVGA doesn't cut it anymore.
Also note that your average touch screen WM phones aren't the low end "free" phones.
BTW I'm about the farthest from an Apple freak as one can get, I have owned NO apple products, but have owned several pocket pc's, two MS Smartphones and two WM QVGA touchscreen phones, but appreciate how the iPhone is not only well engineered hardware wise, but how well the software and its UI are integrated as well... especially compared to my WM6 Sprint Mogul.
The fact that Apple has sold more iPhones at more than $300 a pop than all the WM phones put together since it came out SAYS something to the phone companies. It may be the slick interface, the slimness, the nearly indestructable screen, the great battery run time, fast video performance or the higher resolution screen... or all of them put together. The age of the low res screen in a "high end" phone is over because the bar has been raised... maybe not to VGA standards yet, it's only half VGA, but QVGA doesn't cut it anymore.
Also note that your average touch screen WM phones aren't the low end "free" phones.
BTW I'm about the farthest from an Apple freak as one can get, I have owned NO apple products, but have owned several pocket pc's, two MS Smartphones and two WM QVGA touchscreen phones, but appreciate how the iPhone is not only well engineered hardware wise, but how well the software and its UI are integrated as well... especially compared to my WM6 Sprint Mogul.
I agree with all that wseto & others have said in this post. My point is that Apple raised the bar with HVGA. IMO, all WM phones like the Treo 750 & the Tilt are high end phones. I think WM developers should take heed to the iPHONE. I also think carriers should subsidize a great WM phone that doesn't lock up. That phone would be either:
- Treo design w/ at least 256 mb of RAM & ROM, at least 624 processor, at least 2000 mah battery, at least 320x320 screen, OS that works without locking up, email that works & is as easy to set up for the common folk as Blackberry Web Client (not the aftermarket add-on like was available for the Nokia E62, it would NOT sync with BB very well)... OR
- Tilt design w/ at least the specs above... OR
- Samsung i730 design w/ at least the specs above.
On a side note, Thanks to Duncan for putting together that exhaustive list of current & soon-to-be released VGA phones. Anyone know how well ETEN's devices last? I've owned several Blackberries, & currently use the Pearl, & none of them has ever quit, I just got tired of them. I also have carried a Dell Axim x50v since it came out, as it replaced the iPAQ h5550. Thanks again to Duncan for the list & reminding me that there are devices out there.
The fact that Apple has sold more iPhones at more than $300 a pop than all the WM phones put together since it came out SAYS something to the phone companies.
REMEMBER: Apple sold a ton of iPHONE's in the 1st weekend at $500 a pop if I remember correctly. People were camping out to pay $500 due to how great that phone is.
When was the last time someone camped out for a WM phone because of how oftne it locks up or how mediocre the screen is or how archaic the music player is...? That's my point!
WM phones just get by & stopped innovating about 3 years ago IMO. They, like Palm, were on top, only to lose to Apple & others because they began to settle...
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