After reviewing the ETEN 800, it has several things missing that I really want in a HIGH END device:
1) 624 or faster processor
2) missing a typing keypad like either the Tilt or the Samsung i730
3) still quite a bit thicker than the iPHONE considering the form factor is the same with no keyboard
4) OK battery at 1530, but for $600, oughtta be at least 2000+
5) 64 mb RAM???? Come on!!!! Another website noted that this stifled performance.
Is there a device out there that meets the above problems? & also, how good are ETEN devices on long lasting? Thanks, Mike
There is no great demand for VGA, as VGA doesn't notably improve any of those features. Hardly anyone is going into phone stores and saying 'I want a high resolution device'. It's 'I want cameras' or 'can it play music' etc.
just because most people dont know anything about VGA or there is VGA pdaphone avail, this DOES NOT means there is no demand for it!
do u see people asking about ColorTV 50 years ago?
or did u see people asking about "do u have any cellphone half the size?" 10 yeas ago?
I do agree with Netboy, the public didn't know it wanted an iPHONE or an iPOD for that matter, until it came out. HVGA on a tilt sized screen would be awesome as would 320x320 on a Treo. I believe these ought to be minimums nowadays. I also believe that WM should solve the locing up problems by mandating OR at least encouraging at least one major carrier to put out a phone that works. As it stands, I do not trust WM as a phone after owning the Cingular 8125 & the Treo 750. Just my 2 cents!
After reviewing the ETEN 800, it has several things missing that I really want in a HIGH END device:
1) 624 or faster processor
2) missing a typing keypad like either the Tilt or the Samsung i730
3) still quite a bit thicker than the iPHONE considering the form factor is the same with no keyboard
4) OK battery at 1530, but for $600, oughtta be at least 2000+
5) 64 mb RAM???? Come on!!!! Another website noted that this stifled performance.
I'm not quite in the same boat for what I'm looking for. In particular, I don't want a hardware keyboard; I never use the one on my Cingular 8525, so from my perspective a keyboard just takes up unnecessary space/volume.
My list includes VGA, decent speed, and quad-band GSM/tri-band 3G connectivity, along with no keyboard (i.e., small package). (I had counted the X800 out because of early reports that it was a real dog in video speed, but recent postings indicate that using the newest ROM image and not installing the default bloatware make it perform quite well. I am disappointed with the 64MB RAM, but that's not a total deal-breaker for me.)
As far as I've been able to tell, there are only two currently-shipping devices that meet these criteria: the Eten X800 and the I-mate Ultimate 6150. The X800 has GPS and is about $100 cheaper, but it only has 64MB of RAM; the 6150 has video out instead of GPS and 128MB, but costs more. Although I would use the video out occasionally, the GPS would be more often useful, so I'm tending to favor the X800 at the moment.
Are there any others that are currently shipping or will very soon (that eliminates the SE Experia X1, which is too far away and will probably cost too much anyway) that meet these criteria? Any tips on things I've overlooked would be welcome.
Eten x800 advertised as triband 3.5G hsdpa, but u will only get regular 3G umts speed at 384k!
Imate 9150 should be out in March or April. VGA, 128mb ram, build-in GPS, tri-band hsdpa, and keyboard.
I too swore I’d never leave VGA.. and then bought a Tytn II.
Now I love my Tytn II dearly but really miss VGA, particularly for web browsing and Pocket Informant / Plan Maker / Text Maker.
In 12-15 months when I look to upgrade I’ll be looking for the same specs in terms of good-sized RAM, slide-out keyboard, tilt screen (love that), GPS, HSDPA, wi-fi and bluetooth. BUT would like bigger screen area, WVGA, faster CPU (it can be sluggish), decent GPU, longer battery life, and smaller / lighter device. And a 60Gb hard disk would be nice so I don’t need my ipod.
And a 60Gb hard disk would be nice so I don’t need my ipod.
Not too much to ask is it?
60 GB HD??? Now you're dreaming, who do you think MS is... Apple? People don't want or need VGA or even 1GB or a device that has enough power to avoid constant lock-ups or a good battery...
yepp. Win Mobile in its current incarnation doesn't support more than 16bit colours. You can use screens that support more, but the OS will only address 16bit coulors.
On the rest of the topic.
Personally I intended to go converged from the X50v (3.5" VGA) to the Apache (2.8" QVGA) and found I hated it. Incredibly so. I remain semi-convergent with the HTC Touch and X50v.
Overall the font/ text argument seems overblown to me simply because on a VGA screen. IT is waay too small. It may be legible to many others but I cannot forsee myself living with needing a magnifying glass every time I decide to read. The real importance of VGA for me personally is the multimedia.
View a VGA sized photo on QVGA and you either scroll or zoom out. View a QVGA sized photo on a VGA device and you get a tiny pic that really illustrates the advantage of VGA or zoom in to view a pixelated picture.
The effect is also present on movies. VGA wins.
Admittedly this is not scientific in any way since I do not have two devices with similarly sized screens but there is a notable quality difference. Sorry Dave.
As to iPhone:
This is a 520 Mhz device with 128 Mb RAM (approx 8 Mb reserved for GPU?). Take a Toshiba e-830, add a 32Gb CF card, purchase a pretty VGA icon theme pack from say...Juno and really what advantage does the iPhone have?
The accelerometer...yes...innovative...yes. This helps with battery life too since Jobs is right. You don't need the screen on when its next to your face or in your pocket.
A decent browser...yes... again not insurmountable...even surpassable.
The real importance of VGA for me personally is the multimedia.
No lotsa things.
The iPhone is the pretty blonde you meet at the party and have some fun with. Imagine being married to her 8O
PS I just bought an 8 Gb micro SD card for that Touch!
Like the post & the blonde joke... but for me, I can't converge due to all the locking up along with my desire to view the month at a glance using mini text on Pocket Informant. Try that on QVGA. Either way, we may have differences for liking VGA. I still would like to see a device that is powerful, 256MB RAM/ROM, at least HVGA (iPHONE), WM without all the glitches, with a good battery & not a brick to carry. Until then it's a BB Pearl & a 3+ yr old Axim x50v.
As to iPhone:
This is a 520 Mhz device with 128 Mb RAM (approx 8 Mb reserved for GPU?). Take a Toshiba e-830, add a 32Gb CF card, purchase a pretty VGA icon theme pack from say...Juno and really what advantage does the iPhone have?
The accelerometer...yes...innovative...yes. This helps with battery life too since Jobs is right. You don't need the screen on when its next to your face or in your pocket.
A decent browser...yes... again not insurmountable...even surpassable.
The iPhone is the pretty blonde you meet at the party and have some fun with. Imagine being married to her 8O
And what's so wrong about marrying that pretty blond? The first Pocket PC device I really fell in love with was Toshiba's e800. I continued that love affair with its successor the e830, but honestly that device is nearly 4 years old (and was really just a .dot upgrade to the e800 which will turn 5 this year). Ever since 2005 I have been increasingly disillusioned with Windows Mobile and what I perceive as its lack of progress and innovation. So last Fall I met that pretty blond (introduced her to my real wife actually and fell in love in the process) and decided to jump ship for something that meets my needs better.
You can take your arguments against the iPhone and invert them depending on your perspective: Multifunctionality in Windows Mobile? Sure, but that came at the expense of ease of use. One thing that continues to amaze me about the iPhone (and which WM has never worked out) is the tight integration of all the apps. It's super easy to email a photo or set it as your wallpaper or assign it to a contact. Google Maps integrates really well with the Contacts app, etc. These simple no-brainer operations require complex series of taps in WM using the built-in apps. The WM mail program cannot even render html emails properly or show photo attachments inline.
Yes, the iPhone has a limited feature set compared to WM. But what it does, it does really well. WM is a jack-of-all-trades, master of none. Each will appeal to different users. And BT on my e830? Sure it has more profiles than my iPhone, but I could never really get any of them to work without pulling my hair out.
And what advantages does the iPhone have over the e830 with a 32 GB flash card? The e830 is a great PDA, but gimme a break. How about:
phone
EDGE
802.11g WiFi
camera
much better media player (even with half the pixels)
higher color resolution screen
smaller form factor
tougher form factor (glass screen is scratch resistant and awesome)
infinitely better built-in apps
support from the manufacturer- multiple firmware updates that actually add new functionality to the device (like the ability to rent movies, no more struggling to convert DVDs to playback on your mobile device)
oh and it's actually available for purchase new
To be fair you need to at least compare it to a fellow phone device like the Universal or better yet one of the new VGA phone devices coming out.
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