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Old 02-12-2002, 12:16 AM
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With the facility that now exists to have other forums and groups of forums, why not change the whole site to PocketTechnology.com (or something like that).
But the problem with that suggestion is that I'm still very pro-Pocket PC. I don't think I could fool anyone into thinking otherwise. :roll:

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Would Microsoft mind if that PocketPCThoughts diversified?
Microsoft has no influence in what goes on with this site.
 
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Old 02-12-2002, 01:46 AM
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Default Palm clones the PPC that aped the original Palm

Dear EdH,

Any source I had on the upgradeability of PPC 2002 to .NET would be as worthless as the source I had on the PPC 2002 upgrade for my Ipaq eg. Compaq and Microsoft. I can't get PPC 2002 features. Can't get the spell checker in Word and other features that are in PPC 2002. And I never will have a word processor with the power of WordSmith. I will get whatever Compaq and MS think they can ding me for. If MS did everything they could right and Palm went out of business this year PPC 2002 still would not offer the software to match just the 80% that will be able to run on the Palm OS 5 as is. And most of the other 20% will be out in new versions as their are just going to be too many users to pass up. If half of the Palm users take the upgrade path rather than the switch to PPC path for OS 5 the developers will still see a ton more sales on the Palm side.

Palm does have some problems and has made some mistakes in their business. The gist of this article is that they are done for because PPC has taken them out. That is just plain silly. PPC has made just as many mistakes. Try to run about any new software on your PPC 2000 models. What won't run without an ARM? Tough break. Guess you should just dump another $500-1000 on all new hardware, software and peripherals. Even with Palm OS5 you are not going to face near that work and expense.
 
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Old 02-12-2002, 03:54 AM
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.Net is an entire architecture that includes operating systems, development tools, network protocols etc. It is not an operating system that you could put on a PDA or anything else for that matter. As for Palm I have had just about every Palm and Pocket PC and I am now using the new Sony T615c. It has the best screen and battery life of ANY PDA and is a joy to use.

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So, a Palm model that shares virtually all hardware features with the PPC 2002 model, but sells at 5 times the volume per model meaning the efficiency of production scale makes it possible to sell it for $100 less.

One can bring all the software one has along to the new model, saving millions of current users $100 to $400 each.

Because it uses the latest OMAPI and X-Scale processors with no old inventory of old battery sucking ARMS to protect, battery life is 5-10s as good as the PPC 2002s.

PPC 2002 gets "recreated" again as .NET mobile with a rewrite needed of all current software and no way to make it work on older models without Flash ROM cutting market potential for developers.

One can bring old hardware along from my old Palm with Universal connector.

Yeah, sounds like Palm can't win this battle.


Look this is not Apple converting from Motorola 6800 to Power PC processor with a 10% market share going against WinTel with 90% market share. This is Palm going for a newer better processor with help from TI, Motorola, Intel, and Sony. And PPC still at the very best has 25% of the market.

I really don't get the point of a PPC site pointing to this article. It's not a religion.
 
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Old 02-12-2002, 04:43 AM
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But the problem with that suggestion is that I'm still very pro-Pocket PC. I don't think I could fool anyone into thinking otherwise. :roll:
It's not just you Jason, but I imagine most of the readers here are too...I know I certainly fool anyone about my feelings for the deposed kings and pretenders to the PDA throne.
 
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Old 02-12-2002, 05:33 AM
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I'm a Sony CLIE user, but I love this sight! Please don't change a thing. I enjoy hearing a different oppinion from you guys. I even find it funny when you guys get the anti-Palm rhetoric going.

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Old 02-12-2002, 06:01 AM
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"And then there's the software..." says it all Jaylo :-)
That's why I still use the palm (well... and the formfactor kicks PPC butt)....
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Additionally, there still isn't software like/or as good as bonsai
(www.natara.com) or shadow (www.codejedi.com) or a word processor as good as
wordsmith (www.bluenomad.com) or actionnames (www.iambic.com). Being able to
play MP3's and MPG's is cool, but it doesn't help me in my everyday life.
 
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Old 02-12-2002, 11:43 AM
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As much as I would like to see Palm embarres them selves... The truth is, the saying "Can your Palm do that?" may become a thing of the past.


I say this because microsoft has had almost 3 years to improve upon their OS and has done little to do so and as unfortunit as it is...I don't really consider PPC2002 a HUGE upgrade from PPC2000. The PPC hardware for the most part is still based on Compaq's Ipaq. While MS is releaseing WinCE 4.0 or the .net Palm has been pushing full speed to make their newer OS on the same playing ground as current PPCs with it's ability to do multi-threading and run faster processors. When MS finally gets around to releasing the latter CE OS to the PPC platform some maybe years time still away, where will the Palm be? At Palm's current speed in pushing the OS and OEMs like Sony pushing the limit and boundries of PDA technology I wonder if PPCs will be anything still worth considering.

I hope that isn't the case...But Palm has been splashing the water alot and getting a lot of attention. They also are now making good on their vaporware OS 5, which even though still very unimpresseive, will have all the heart the current PPCs' will have and will only be a matter of maybe just short time before they will do something that will leave the PPC crowd in envy.

I just wish MS would of used this time to Push their OS into new grounds with wireless, an Always on email on device, Cell/PDA phones, Better syncronizing with the PIMs to Outlook, email, MS word and so on. They should of been pushing the Oo's and Ahh's to their OS and other harware vendors partners...But they haven't They just slap another Gui on to the same CE OS and gave the world the same hardware that has already been introduced to us with the original Ipaq.

Anyone else think soemthing is wrong with that picture?
I love PPCs and would never, ever consider switching back to the Palm OS. But if MS doesn't start pushing and splashing the water as hard and as desperatly as Palm has, than I suspect what little market share PPCs already has, may shrink to even less as time moves on.
 
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Old 02-12-2002, 02:51 PM
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Additionally, there still isn't software like...actionnames (www.iambic.com).
Actually the president of Iambic is asking for user feedback on a PocketPC version of Action Names right now. Here is a link:

http://www.iambic.com/forum/showthre...=2975#post2975

So while AN may not be available now, it does look like a PPC version will soon be in the works. If you are a PocketPC user, and miss Action Names, send Vidal an e-mail.

 
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Old 02-12-2002, 04:26 PM
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Jason,

I wouldn't suggest that you need a lobotomy to remove your love for PocketPC. The different personalities of the people you have helping you run this site suggest to me that if you did diversify, you could palm off sections of the web site to one of your co-workers (no pun intended). For example, someone commented on how many of their thoughts, so far, have been non-PocketPC related. Why not have a section for these since there are many PocketPC users who just don't want to know about other technologies. Also, there's the issue about the polarising arguments that take place from the main page.

Of course, having never managed a site like this before, I wouldn't know how much work it would involve. Either way, I know that I'll still visit here, if not only to learn about the cool stuff that's happening in the world of Mobile Technology.
 
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Old 02-12-2002, 06:27 PM
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I have a Compaq Aero 1550 PocketPC... it has a monochrome screen and only 16 MB of RAM... why haven't I upgraded?... because this baby is light and thin and does everything I need it to do, plus can play MP3's, has a voice recorder and many other features.

If Palm adds all this functionality in its next version of the PalmOS, and manages to fit that in a m50X form factor with comparable battery life and a high res. color screen, I would not think twice about switching to Palm.

Then again, I don't know if this is possible with current (available) technology.
 
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