It's comparing apples and oranges. For example, is a PocketPC even usable with only 16MB of RAM? On PalmOS it's more than enough to run all the applications.
now that sony is going for the whole "multimedia" thing, more than 16MB RAM is definitely necessary.
"That's the point, it's NOT supposed to be so amazing to us PPC users; but IT IS supposed to be amazing to current Palm users. "
Actually, I'm a PPC enthusiast and I'm pretty damn amazed what they crammed into this device and how elegant it all looks. Way better than any pocket pc on the market right now, IMO. It looks like something from... bright and better future, for the lack of better words Integrated photo/video camera, to me is a much more interesting thing, than just about anything PPC makers have come up in the last year or so.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I agree with you. I am interested in everything Sony has to offer. I was thinking more along the lines of Clies' functionality and how there is really no comparison when it comes to which operating system is more powerful or versatile.
All i've heard were complaints about the lack of innovation from sony and this being the LEAST innovated product yet... But, it's great for palm because it is now capable of doing almost everything a PPC can do (in practical senses). Yes, it doesn't have a file system, etc, but you can still get on the net, still get on WLAN, type of papers, record voice, play music, play good games, play videos, etc. plus it can take pictures too!
Also, I believe sony used the same battery from the older NR series- so the Xscale drains more power than the Dragonball, and the power for CF plus the newer camera puts a heft toll on this machine. I wouldn't be surprised if it does have poor battery life.
you are trying to forward NX as an innovative design, but at the same time being so apologetic on all the mediocre performance. ("it is capable of doing 'almost' everything"...) quite a disconnect, isnt' it?
last time I check "matching performance is called catching up, not being innovative. Lemme ask, is there anything that an E125 cannot do what NX can? All items you mention are available on E125 years ago, which is main point about NX. It's NOT an innovative machine as a package. The slots are cirppled, the OS are limited, the basic specs merely match a 2 yrs old machine, etc.
You want innovation, try out doing.....the iPAQ H5000, the one with dual wireless, fingerprint scan, new OS capabilites, etc..... all that with half the size and a third of the price...
than the world might consider that innovation, instead of rehashing old chasis with low end spec that other company sells for $299.
Why would they need more than 16MB? The software doesn't take up that much room and you can't store any audio or video files in the RAM because of the dumb way PalmOS treats everything in RAM as databases. You have to buy Memory Sticks... and that's what Sony wants.
The saddest part is that the largest size Sony makes is only 128MB. No match for a 518MB SD or larger CF. With all this multimedia stuff, 128MB isn't going to cut it anymore.
1. features. pocket pc wins.....period. we've been able to have digital cameras for a looong time. we've had MP3 playback since winCE came out. we've had video playback since winCE came out also. we've had wifi since at least PPC2002, maybe winCE (i'm not sure, i've only had a PPC for about half a year). transflective screen is the one exception (although a fairly large one). of course, now the ipaq has it, and the viewsonic shall have it as well.
2. design. sony is doing pretty well here. honestly, i've never seen a PDA like this (except the NR series). the flip-up design, thumb keyboard, and swivel screen (albeit flimsy) are all quite "innovative." digital camera built has never been seen in a pocket pc. of course, sony loses on bulky size.
I'm personally quite impressed with the video capture that this range offers, and MP4 is really quite a good format as well. The new Nokia 7650 captures video, but with such a small amount of RAM, the only option is MP4 that can put around 12 seconds into 90k at reasonable quality.
I'd expect Sony to do a well tidy job.
This aside, I thought Ed made some valid points and as to those who complain about his anti-Palm bias, this is a Microsoft site so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't suppose Palm sites are particularly complimentary of Microsoft either (I know Symbian ones aren't :wink: ).
Call it wicked,
It would be really funny, if Sony start offering a line of product with 2 OS options.
I mentioned several times on different forums that maybe Sony should consider making devices for the 2 platforms. They can produce very innovative & cutting-edge hardware, which should serve the PPC platform better, but maybe the new Palm OS is better geared for such hardware now. Either way, they brought much innovation to the Palm platform, to the extend that I don't think the Palm OS was quite ready for in the past, but which really transformed the image & capabilities of Palm OS devices. In fact, I believe Sony really did breathe new life into the high-end PalmOS devices.
Sony will be able to up the ante of PPC devt., if they should step into the PPC realm as well, esp. when they could make full use of the full potential of the multimedia capabilities of the PPC platform.
As for looks though, it's very subjective, & I don't really like the swiveling display. I'd rather, if they wanna make a screen with a keyboard compromising thickness, have them make a clamshell-type device which is much more practical, but may not be as sexy. But I guess that wouldn't be in keeping with Sony's flashy style.
Initiating product innovations on both platforms would be great. Now, PPC mfrs seem to want to compete at the entry-level market as well. With Palm OS devices competing at the high-end multimedia PDA market, only the consumers will benefit.
OK, that's all I wanna say .. more to respond to mookie123's comments than to contribute to this thread topic. :roll: :wink:
Hm, I thinks, it's sad to make that a discussion about specs or PALM OS vs. PocketPC OS.
I for myself would never ever consider buying a SONY. It doesn't offer what I need in a little device and I consider it more being a toy (after all SONY is the PLAYSTATION maker :lol: )
Still, I am very happy to see SONY out there and I hope they will be very successful with their products. They are the only serious competitor for MS out there and competition is what we need for better products and cheaper prices. All of a sudden we see devices like the TOSHIBA e310 at very reasonable prices. Don't tell me, that's got nothing to do with SONY...
What I'm surprised at is the people saying "wow, 200mhz! PalmOS is gonna fly!"... well, maybe not. This is not good ol' PalmOS. This is PalmOS 5... re-written during the companies deepest time of trouble and with engineers who previously worked on much better specc'ed machines (BeIA stuff). Now while I have the greatest respect for the ex-Be engineers (I was a BeOS 4 & 5 user) how likely are they to get it right first time?
The next thing we have to look at is all your current apps are either going the way of the dodo or going to have to work through emulation... as we all know, emulation is handy, but usually sucks.
Now I'm not coming down on any particular side of the fence here, neither PocketPCs nor Palm devices float my boat any more (I'm a disgruntled and abandoned HPC2000 user myself) though I used to own both, but I do find it ironic that a year or so ago Palm was talking about the Zen of Palm, and is now touting the self same features it was criticizing PocketPC for... it's just too funny! :twisted:
This is all irrelevant, when Sony buys Palm Source after the split they will make a better "Palm" OS than Palm ever did and their devices will be just a different version of PPCs. I'm all for the competition, keeps both sides from stagnating!
And as far as market share goes, that is steadily changing. Heck most people call ANY PDA a Palm, sort of like facial tissue is Kleenex or adhesive bandages are Band Aids.
I was watching the television premiere of Without a Trace the other night and they said that the missing woman had even left her Palm Pilot and they panned the camera to the coffee table and there lay in all its glory not a Palm but an HP Jornada 56x series PPC! Most people that I have met that insist on a Palm are either die hard Palm Loyalists or buying it for the Name Brand.
But hey, if you Palm Loyalists want to come to Pocket PC Thoughts and complain about PPC biased views, come along and be welcome. It's atleast amusing if not educational! :lol:
Integrated photo/video camera, to me is a much more interesting thing, than just about anything PPC makers have come up in the last year or so.
Hang on a cotton picking minute!
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