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Old 09-27-2002, 09:04 PM
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ARM v5 is not compatible with Palm OS 5, neither is Strong ARM. The only Intel processor supported by OS 5 is the Xsacale. By the way Palm OS 5 has full support for Xscale unlike the PPC.
I beleive that is incorrect. Palm has stated OS 5 is ARM v5 ready. They may not be doing any ARM v4 chips. Motorola, Intel and TI are already selling v5 chips. No need for Palm to worry about v4 compatibility as they are not using any v4 chips. The 200MHz chip here I think is the Intel X-Scale PXA210. - http://www.intel.com/design/pca/prodbref/298621.htm
Sorry I confused V4 (the one in wich Strong ARM is based) with v5 (the one in wich Xscale is based). And yes thats right the Clie will be using the Sscale processor.

Also to the one who comented about Acer doing a Palm OS unit with Mstick: They also have a PPC that uses Memory Stick, but still thats not ehnough to compare the Memory stick to SD/MMC
 
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Old 09-27-2002, 09:22 PM
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Also to the one who comented about Acer doing a Palm OS unit with Mstick: They also have a PPC that uses Memory Stick, but still thats not ehnough to compare the Memory stick to SD/MMC
Yup. Acer 20n I think.
 
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Old 09-27-2002, 10:22 PM
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ARM v5 is not compatible with Palm OS 5, neither is Strong ARM. The only Intel processor supported by OS 5 is the Xsacale. By the way Palm OS 5 has full support for Xscale unlike the PPC.
I beleive that is incorrect. Palm has stated OS 5 is ARM v5 ready. They may not be doing any ARM v4 chips. Motorola, Intel and TI are already selling v5 chips. No need for Palm to worry about v4 compatibility as they are not using any v4 chips. The 200MHz chip here I think is the Intel X-Scale PXA210. - http://www.intel.com/design/pca/prodbref/298621.htm
I hope NX70V stands for XScale!!
 
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Old 09-27-2002, 10:26 PM
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Also to the one who comented about Acer doing a Palm OS unit with Mstick: They also have a PPC that uses Memory Stick, but still thats not ehnough to compare the Memory stick to SD/MMC
I wasn't necessarily trying to "compare" the Sony Memory Stick to the SD/MMC cards. The point I was trying to make was that it seems as if the majority of the "Anti-Memory Stick" posts in this thread circle around the idea that the Sony Memory Stick is proprietary, and only used in devices built by Sony.

While it is true that Sony has a proven track record of keeping their technology such as the Memory Stick to themselves, and typically turn their backs on the idea of licensing such technology out to other companies, the fact that we have both an Acer PalmOS and PPC device utilizing this medium around the corner just goes to show you that the Memory Stick may no longer be as "proprietary" as you think. The question is just how far Sony is planning on taking the licensing of the MS medium out to other manufacturers.

As seen in the picture I posted on page four of this thread, Sony is already taking the MS storage medium into the IO arena with some rather interesting ideas. Acer and PI Tech have devices (For PPC no less) utilizing the MS medium. How long will it be until the MS becomes as widespread as the SD medium?
 
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Old 09-27-2002, 11:10 PM
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[As seen in the picture I posted on page four of this thread, Sony is already taking the MS storage medium into the IO arena with some rather interesting ideas.
I guess some of you already saw this.... Sony is selling a digital camera MS interface that you can plug on the CLIE (certain models only). They are available at Fry's Electronics right now (seen it over a month ago).
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Old 09-28-2002, 01:14 AM
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how thick is this thing? Hardware is impressive, but looks pretty thick!
 
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Old 09-28-2002, 01:23 AM
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how thick is this thing? Hardware is impressive, but looks pretty thick!
2.875" / 5.5" / .9375", 8 oz (i got this off of the pdf posted on the first page of comments in this thread)

compare this to:
-toshiba e310: .5 in. thick, 4.9 oz
-ipaq 3950: .6 in. thick, 6.5 oz

(i got those specs off of cnet.com)

yeah, the sony is a monster.

another issue is battery life: 10 days....at 30 minutes per day with backlight off! this means 5 hours with backlight off. my audiovox maestro can do better than that. with backlight on, the battery life (in my prediction), will be awful, especially when you add wireless card and start snapping photos.
 
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Old 09-28-2002, 02:01 AM
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The MiniDisk is a flop? Other than the CD it may be the best selling digital music recording format in the world.
Isn't that like saying the Mac is the 2nd best selling personal computing platform of all time? Still a bug fart in the overall scheme of things.
Maybe it ain't that big in the States and other (Northern) America's it seems to be doing just fine in Europe and Asia!
 
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Old 09-28-2002, 02:03 AM
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how thick is this thing? Hardware is impressive, but looks pretty thick!
2.875" / 5.5" / .9375", 8 oz (i got this off of the pdf posted on the first page of comments in this thread)

compare this to:
-toshiba e310: .5 in. thick, 4.9 oz
-ipaq 3950: .6 in. thick, 6.5 oz

(i got those specs off of cnet.com)

yeah, the sony is a monster.

another issue is battery life: 10 days....at 30 minutes per day with backlight off! this means 5 hours with backlight off. my audiovox maestro can do better than that. with backlight on, the battery life (in my prediction), will be awful, especially when you add wireless card and start snapping photos.

There have now been two big rumor reports of a NR70V replacement:

Earlier reports had a model about the size of the old N series .7 (maybe even .8 inches thick, they have to put a much bigger battery in there somewhere) by 2.88 by 4.9 or so. I think that model, not the one in this thread, is what the final one will be. It won't have the keyboard that no one has saluted anyway (also as reported in earlier rumors). I don't think it will be a clamshell. A little more room at the bottom for more battery. A smooth back with room for both WiFi and MS, maybe MS duo is what I expect. The other details (except I expect 64 meg RAM) are probably as reported in both rumor runs, though the earlier rumor had a 1 or even 2 megapixel still capture. Don't have any guess as to whether that or this is the real camera res.

In any case there is no reasonable way to compare this to the Toshiba e310. The new TX 665 is the competition for the e310. This model competes with the e740. Calling this a monster compared to the e310 is as pointless as comparing a Ford pickup to a Corvette.

And having seen all these pictures and thinking about this for a while I have concluded that this is not the new CLie. Simply not.

Here is why I think this is a mockup used for testing and developing new software and marketing layouts of the *real* NX model.

The WiFi slot sled that is currently available adds a battery. Where is the battery power for this WiFi slot? Nowhere. If this is the new Clie there is not room in there for a bigger battery. The bottom half of the case is exactly like the current NR. No way. The current battery without a sled battery auxilary boost would last 30 minutes. You could take 5 minutes of video before the battery was drained. Nope, don't believe it.

Moreover it is that .9375 inches thick just for the WiFi/CF slot. The rest of the case is a current NR70V case. It looks ridiculous. Sony would not release something that looked like such an obvious hack. The carbuncle PDA they would call it.

Nope, lots of laughs at Sony this week acting outraged about this leak, but I don't even think this is the real deal. But we will know soon. I think the reported delivery dates are accurate.

We'll see.

Announce that they are making the Memory Stick a completely open format and that they will ship a 1 gig MS the same time as the NX comes and they will price match any CF card price and Sony could own the world! Well, I have never been accused of being too realistic.
 
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Old 09-28-2002, 02:17 AM
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In any case there is no reasonable way to compare this to the Toshiba e310. The new TX 665 is the competition for the e310. This model competes with the e740. Calling this a monster compared to the e310 is as pointless as comparing a Ford pickup to a Corvette.
you're absolutely right. i wasn't trying to put the e310 up against this new sony, but rather using the e310 as a point of reference.

i do see the ipaq comparison as viable, although the ipaq doesn't have a CF or MS slot or a camera. anyways, almost 1 inch thick is just fat...there are laptops thinner than this.
 
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