I would agree you must sacrafice when you do have multiple features like keyboard, camera, and whatnot. One big debate and I apologize for fusing this is that 16MB maybe proportionally larger to PPC's 64MB. -its not my debate--
WOW! Good job sony! But then they always do a good job. I think that one thing needs to be said, remember that most palm programs take up losts of less space than PPC/Windows ones, so the 16 meg of memory with an expansion slot even if it is the memory stick is going to go a long way on a Palm, unlike the PPC.
I said earlier that sonly likes the word "Propietary" and they use it all the time, perhaps the only company that does and still manages to make it work most of the time.
This will be a big dent in the PPC looking better than palm on the shelves. No longer will people be looking at "OLD ugly monochrome Palm, next to a Color PPC. This will not be good for PPC sales, but Sony will more than likely do just fine!
This will be a big dent in the PPC looking better than palm on the shelves. No longer will people be looking at "OLD ugly monochrome Palm, next to a Color PPC. This will not be good for PPC sales, but Sony will more than likely do just fine!
well, remember one thing Palm users always liked was Palm was significantly cheaper...now it could be because they were traditionally cheaper and it was an arguement they never really believed in and they wanted to discredit the PPC's, however I must admit, a lot of them may not like the idea of spending a lot on a PDA and wouldn't be prepared to spend that much, the last Sony never really took off, partly because of price and partly because of the MS bug.
This will be a big dent in the PPC looking better than palm on the shelves. No longer will people be looking at "OLD ugly monochrome Palm, next to a Colour PPC. This will not be good for PPC sales, but Sony will more than likely do just fine!
Well, MS works better when they see the whites of their competitors eyes in the rear view mirror. Lets hope this spurs them on to greater heights - not to mention the manufacturers! Give us a trasflexive VGA screen!
Speed - It's probably the Motorolo MX1 thing, but it could also be the StrongARM as it has been rumored for the last month; Can you prove that it's not a SA, besides they quoted 200 instead of 206? Anyway, remember, OS 4 was fast on 33 MHz, and OS 5 should be able to run very FAST on a 200 mhz arm, though it will lack in Video playback.
Even though OS5 is supposed to help with this, the Palm OS has never been able to multi-thread properly. This is a limitation that is often overlooked.
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Bluetooth - Don't you kinda think WiFi makes up for that? They would probably lower the price if they bundled it with a Sony Bluetooth card... Is bluetooth a con for the e740?
Nope ... 2 different, but complimentary technologies. The wireless isn't even built-in on this unit whereas it is with the e740. I use both technologies on my PPC quite regularly. One to sync with my laptop and connect to my phone for data and the other to connect to my WLAN's at home and the office.
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SD - don't you think MS makes up for that too? Yeah, so it may be proprietory, but prices are still going down a bit. Plus it's desinged soly for memory now that they have an extra CF slot for IO, so it's biggie.
Unless you want to keep buying proprietary Sony IO cards. I'll stick to a standard SDIO which I can use in multiple devices and obtain from multiple vendours.
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Memory - PPC NEEDS more memory, but I guess Sony could have squeezed in AT LEAST 32 MB in...
For developers, Palm has always lacked on the memory side. Don't quote me, but I recall a dev at my old company saying something like it only had 16k for the heap (or some other ridiculously small value) which made it very difficult to work with things like email attachments retrieved wirelessly. Plus, without MS, you run out of app and storage space in a flash these days. I had to constantly battle with my Vx to keep memory free.
Larger - This handheld is High end, not for entry level consumers. Most people know when you have a Magnesium alloy case, with built in keyboard, built in CF (still rumor), built in MS, and a KEYBOARD in a flip top design, what do you expect? I will bet money that within 4 months of this release, sony will release a T style of the same thing, w/o the keyboard and CF slot, and probably w/o the camera, while maintain the current size! Then it's in line with the Zayo and Tosh e310.
Heavier - add a CF slot (even silver slider) and a keyboard to the iPaq, then see which one's heavier... oh, and a camera..., oh yeah, I forgot the casing needs to be metal instead a plastic... But then again, Toshiba managed to make theirs pretty small, but still no keyboard.
Speed - It's probably the Motorolo MX1 thing, but it could also be the StrongARM as it has been rumored for the last month; Can you prove that it's not a SA, besides they quoted 200 instead of 206? Anyway, remember, OS 4 was fast on 33 MHz, and OS 5 should be able to run very FAST on a 200 mhz arm, though it will lack in Video playback.
Bluetooth - Don't you kinda think WiFi makes up for that? They would probably lower the price if they bundled it with a Sony Bluetooth card... Is bluetooth a con for the e740?
SD - don't you think MS makes up for that too? Yeah, so it may be proprietory, but prices are still going down a bit. Plus it's desinged soly for memory now that they have an extra CF slot for IO, so it's biggie.
Memory - PPC NEEDS more memory, but I guess Sony could have squeezed in AT LEAST 32 MB in...
File System - that's more of a OS issue than sony's hardware, and the OS is designed differently that it really doesn't need a file system, but that could be useful.
Also, you said standard 160x160 interface- wrong. Palm is now standard on 320x320 in os 5, it's part of the API... They call it double density...
You see, PPCs have not gained that much recognition yet, and now that Sony and Palm are comeing out with all this stuff, no one will look at PPC when they still can buy just as good palms... Plus, PPcs need a higher resolution- VGA, don't just match half VGA like the clie's, we need to be the best!
processors - i'm hoping that x-scale will soon be as fast as possible, with a few optimizations. if that rumored ipaq comes out with an optimized 800mhz processor, palm will be flat out beat. but just a rumor.
although i don't have a need for bluetooth, i can certainly see how wifi is not a replacement for bluetooth for many (if not most) people. try connecting to the internet via cellphone with wifi (you can't).
memory stick is a lot less appealing to me than SD or CF. for one, you can't hold more than 128MB. sure, the price is lowering, but the same goes for CF and SD. also, memory stick isn't as widespread as SD or CF. MS is used pretty much only in sony products (although there's an ipaq expansion sleeve, and a rumored ppc with MS). with my audiovox maestro, i could have 1.5GB of flash memory if i wanted to (and could afford it).
internal memory - it is true that palm applications use less memory and storage space. but, for a multimedia machine, MP3 and WMA files will always be the same size, regardless of operating system. sure, i don't load too many files onto my internal memory, but it sure would be nice.
i definitely agree about high-res screens. but, if the screen size remains the same, but resolution gets higher, we may end up with teeny-tiny font and images difficult to read.
does anybody have any definitive answers on whether or not the sony's slot is CF or just a proprietary handspring-type-thing?
does anybody have any definitive answers on whether or not the sony's slot is CF or just a proprietary handspring-type-thing?
According to the PDF link that was posted earlier it is a CF Type II that is compatible with Sony's WLAN card only. Sony wouldn't open up another memory standard to their devices ... especially one that has 8 times the capacity (in solid state) and many more times with the MicroDrive technology.
Ok, what I meant to say is that not having bluetooth is not a con when you can have WiFi. No one lists the e740 as a con for not having bluetooth, and no one lists no WiFi as a con on the iPaq... Although it's not built in, since the slot can only except IO for now (only WiFi really), just consider it as non-removable. the unit has built in wireless, though changable, and one expansion slot... You never know, with sony's wireless plan, they could just as easy put wifi and bluetooth on the same card within a year...
Also, if sony didn't make MS, then they probably would have used SD. In fact, SD is has a royalty fee- it's not like CF and MMC where it is an open standard... Sony doesn't want to use SD because they want to make money off of MS, if Toshiba had it's own proprietyory card, it would probably use it too. Though, I too dislike MS.
Also, don't forget Palm now uses ARM, so they could use almost and PPC processor, even Xscale (as it is in the "Palm OS Ready Program"), but they look at battery life before speed...
Anyway, here's why I don't like the device...
-no "real" joypad
-I personally don't like the flip top design because it's just too much trouble to pull out and open and turn on...
-the camera sucks, though pretty good for a PDA that's built in...
-speaker on the back...
What Palms have over PPC:
-Better screens (though not larger, in most cases) in terms of resolution.
-More APPS, including better Word Processors...
-still price is cheaper, except when you get a keyboard, higher resolution, dual slots, and a camera (which I personally think it's worth it)
-name recognition
-still own most of market for users to "upgrade" to a newer palm
-Personally, I think Palm's look more elegant...
What PPCs have over Palm:
-more screen real estate (unless palm gets rid of hard grafitti)
-more memory
-faster (in terms of power- video, games, etc.)
-most use Standard expansion slots
-more flexible OS with multi-tasking, etc.
-compliant with more standards such as WiFi, windows file system, etc.
What PPCs have over Palm:
-more screen real estate (unless palm gets rid of hard grafitti)
-more memory
-faster (in terms of power- video, games, etc.)
-most use Standard expansion slots
-more flexible OS with multi-tasking, etc.
-compliant with more standards such as WiFi, windows file system, etc.
Well a couple of these are resolved in the new Palm and Sony model, screen real estate is saved via Virtual Graffiti and Palm is using a pull out Graffiti. But the last two (multi-tasking and WiFi/Bluetooth) have really been changed in the OS 5, multitasking/multithreading is supported and the OS has WiFi and Bluetooth support, just how PPC 2002 supported it. However, these are aspects I really want to test, especially the multi-tasking, but won't be able to until they hit stores.
Every few weeks I use one of my Palms, just to remind myself the functionality I lose in exchange for an increasingly small edge in 'zip'. Even when I play with the NR70 series, my 'hardware wow' quickly fades.
And what's with the placement of that wireless 'slot'? Will this thing still be able to flip around to use in the traditional screen up mode with that thing in the way?
Here's what I thought would let Palm 5 truly kick butt: a FILE SYSTEM. So it's no go, yet again...where's Sony's Pocket PC anyways????
PS: forgive my grumpiness at Palm's inability to spur Microsoft on as much as Sony has.
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