[Timothy Rapson]

Originally Posted by dermite

I'm the author of a vertical market application that gives the handheld a pretty good work-out. .

Wow, I spend all my time here, at PalmInfocenter, etc.

I can't remember ever reading a post that was so

contentful, grounded in real experience. reasonable, insightful, balanced, and sound.

Tell me, as a developer, in a tread that provides the context of the Zire 71, how in the world has it happened that there are now NO PPCs with cameras built-in but tons of third part photo-editing softeware, yet in the Palm OS world with 7 models now available with built-in cameras there is not a single third party photo-editing program?

This is driving me CRAZY! All it would take is for TealPoint to finaly redo TealPaint or AcidImage to add a few basic editing features to their viewer. Could this really be this hard? For crying out loud, PPC 2003 now includes a photo viewer that probably (I don't know for sure) is more powerful than that included in the Zire71 and they don't have a camera built into any of them.

Oh well.

[Timothy Rapson]

Originally Posted by dermite

I'm the author of a vertical market application that gives the handheld a pretty good work-out. .

Wow, I spend all my time here, at PalmInfocenter, etc.

I can't remember ever reading a post that was so

contentful, grounded in real experience. reasonable, insightful, balanced, and sound.

Tell me, as a developer, in a tread that provides the context of the Zire 71, how in the world has it happened that there are now NO PPCs with cameras built-in but tons of third part photo-editing softeware, yet in the Palm OS world with 7 models now available with built-in cameras there is not a single third party photo-editing program?

This is driving me CRAZY! All it would take is for TealPoint to finaly redo TealPaint or AcidImage to add a few basic editing features to their viewer. Could this really be this hard? For crying out loud, PPC 2003 now includes a photo viewer that probably (I don't know for sure) is more powerful than that included in the Zire71 and they don't have a camera built into any of them.

Oh well.

[Cortex]

Originally Posted by Timothy Rapson

how in the world has it happened that there are now NO PPCs with cameras built-in but tons of third part photo-editing softeware, yet in the Palm OS world with 7 models now available with built-in cameras there is not a single third party photo-editing program? ...

While not built in, camera's have been available for the Windows CE platform for a long time (at least 1999) mainly utilizing the PCMCIA and CF expansion slots.

> CASIO CF CAMERA <

> HP CF CAMERA <

Sharp, Casio, and HP all had camera attachments at one time. The enthusiasm for it died down after digital cameras far surpassed the performance of a WinCE camera. Now that camera components have become so cheap (thanks to phone companies integrating them into their phones in an effort to increase bandwidth revenues as people send image files back and forth) manufacturers are sticking them back into handhelds.

I think the > SHARP MOBILON < was the first.

[mangochutneyman]

Tell me, as a developer, in a tread that provides the context of the Zire 71, how in the world has it happened that there are now NO PPCs with cameras built-in but tons of third part photo-editing softeware, yet in the Palm OS world with 7 models now available with built-in cameras there is not a single third party photo-editing program?

Actually the Viewsonic V36 does include an integrated camera...

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by mangochutneyman

Actually the Viewsonic V36 does include an integrated camera...

So does the Samsung i700. Get with the times Timothy! :wink:

[scottmag]

Originally Posted by rosettaZ

The biggest indicator of them all? Why are Palm users reading PPC news sites? (It's because nothing is happening in Palm)

I know that's kind of a joke, but I'll give you a straight answer. It's because the level of discourse here is far better than at Palm-focused sites like Palminfocenter. Despite my occasional criticism, Jason has build a superior site.

As for the relative gains of either Palm or PocketPC, remember that it is far easier to achieve tremendous gains from a low base. So PocketPC has dramatically increased market share and lowered costs while Palm has rolled out powerful new handheld models and will soon have a powerful multitasking OS.

I see the field as pretty level these days in both features and prices. We are getting to the point where one will choose the platform based on interface preferences and infrastructure integration (e.g., Exchange or a wireless messaging solution).

As for the Handspring merger, I really like Palm getting serious about the smartphone market. I also look forward to seeing what Microsoft can do to win over consumers to their Smartphone platform.

Scott

[Timothy Rapson]

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Yes, I saw those add on cameras in the form of the original Casio in the movie Eight Legged Freaks. The little kid got to be a geek, who carried a Casio E100 with the camera attached, though he never used it to take a picture. Anyway, that is why I wrote "built in". I just want one with a camera built in.

[Timothy Rapson]

Originally Posted by mangochutneyman

Actually the Viewsonic V36 does include an integrated camera...

Actually, that should read "will' include......it is not out yet, or at least was not when I posted.

[Timothy Rapson]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

So does the Samsung i700. Get with the times Timothy! :wink:

Well, PriceGrabber shows no such product as a Samsung i700 available in for sale. Yes, of course, I know what it is...will be, and I suppose counting the Treo 600 (which won't ship until after the i700 and the ViewSonic V36) makes your comments fair game, but I have had this Clie NR70V right in my pocket taking pictures for a full year and still don't have that photo app. That just really seems wrong, terribly wrong to me.

You guys can download and have the photo programs just waiting for those camera models to arrive.