[Ed Hansberry]

Originally Posted by rssrfrssr

Where's the headline "MS Copied Palm Way back in the 90's Because PALM Made a Cool Device and Then MS Proceeded To Take Over Because They Are A Resource Laden Behemoth Who Crushes Any Competition With Monopolistic Practices"?

Isn't "Microsoft" Latin for what you just said? :wink: :lol:

[Ed Hansberry]

Originally Posted by rssrfrssr

Where's the headline "MS Copied Palm Way back in the 90's Because PALM Made a Cool Device and Then MS Proceeded To Take Over Because They Are A Resource Laden Behemoth Who Crushes Any Competition With Monopolistic Practices"?

Isn't "Microsoft" Latin for what you just said? :wink: :lol:

[Janak Parekh]

Originally Posted by rssrfrssr

That doesn't mean they haven't made some good choices after copying Palm, but come on, lay off the MS hype. Both companies have gotten some things right, and some things wrong. It is only wise to acknowledge both, IMHO.

And who says we haven't? :| We've ranted many times about stuff MS does wrong, and credit them when they do stuff right. Ed's rant about the lack of a real close button was perhaps one of the best articles on PPCT in the last few months.

--janak

[Duncan]

Originally Posted by rssrfrssr

Where's the headline "MS Copied Palm Way back in the 90's Because PALM Made a Cool Device and Then MS Proceeded To Take Over Because They Are A Resource Laden Behemoth Who Crushes Any Competition With Monopolistic Practices"?

Wasn't that posted sometime after the "Palm copied the cool PDAs from Psion and Apple, ripped off someone else's input sytem and then sulked when Microsoft developed PDAs that offered superior features that Palm took several years to catch up with meaning they needed to continually use dishonest comparisons to make it look like they were the better platform" headline? :roll:

MS stink in a lot of ways BUT they also get ridiculous flak that they don't deserve. MS come up with a PDA and smartphone OS, because they see that as the way the IT market is going, and they get accused of wanting to crush any competition? News flash - MS is an OS company and is pretty much obligated to pursue new avenues in that area! Also - if Palm hadn't been so arrogant, and had used their market dominance as they could have, the Pocket PC OS wouldn't have stood a chance! While Palm stood still MS produced three versions of the WinCE PDA that pretty much failed - in the PDA world Palm is the Microsoft and has the power to crush the opposition (or at least it did have!) - in the same way that Symbian is MS's competition in the smartphone world (Palm are no threat there as they seem to fundamentally misunderstand the smartphone market...).

It's rather like the way that Apple and Linux distributions manage to include internet browsers and media players without comment but if MS do it then it is anti-competitive!

[bdegroodt]

I'm going to have to agree with Janak. I think the good majority of "enhancement requests" here are about PPC and MSFT and their partners.

That said, I'm still hopeful for Palm (though I wouldn't "welcome them to 1999," as they have held their own and lead for many years in this little industry). It seems like Palm eventually becomes the thorn in MSFT's side and keeps them honest and on task. And certainly more so lately than since MSFT's earliest days in handhelds.

Personally, I REALLY like the Treo 600, but I haven't been motivated into buying one. I give them way better marks than I'd give to that miserable XDA I owned previously.

[Janak Parekh]

Originally Posted by bdegroodt

That said, I'm still hopeful for Palm (though I wouldn't "welcome them to 1999," as they have held their own and lead for many years in this little industry).

Sure. Competition helps everyone.

Personally, I REALLY like the Treo 600, but I haven't been motivated into buying one.

Same here. No BT, no Verizon. I'm not ditching my Pocket PC anytime, but I wouldn't mind a Treo 600 for certain applications... although I personally liked the XDA a lot.

Originally Posted by Duncan

It's rather like the way that Apple and Linux distributions manage to include internet browsers and media players without comment but if MS do it then it is anti-competitive!

I agree with most of your post, but this is different. If you're legally a monopoly, you're restricted from doing things that others can do without fear of legal prosecution. That's just the way the laws are structured.

--janak

[Partita]

Originally Posted by cdunphy

Microsoft Pocket PC and Microsoft Smartphone share some common elements, but the have a completely incompatible user experience paradigm. Its not just a matter of recompiling Pocket PC applications - Smartphone applications actually need to be entirely redesigned.

so far so good, all top PPC apps has been ported to smartphone. Is all POS apps compatible with that crash happy treo600? (eh hmmm, so much for not having incompatible user paradigm, or whatever that shiny new buzzword bingo you just said.)

Our strategy couldn't be more different.

This is news. You guys have strategy?... like what strategy? Is it the 'please please buy our stuff, or the free market will die.' strategy or is that ' we don't need no stinkin' feature. Zen and simplicity are all user need' strategy.

oh wait, wait. another strategy. Split, merge, buy back, stock offering, reverse split, sell more stock.. (or also known as wall street hail mary move)

Though we are going forward with two versions of the OS (a low end and a high end, essentially) -- both versions maintain a constant user experience paradigm, and they are for the most part software compatible with each other.

I tell you what your strategy sounds like to me.
OS 6.0 is too friggin bloated and can't fit on smartphone ROM plus low power CPU. lol.

constant user experiance my foot. If it breaks compatibility and have different UI look, then there is no user paradigm or any other paradigm.

And - BOTH versions of the OS are suitable for and will be used in phones.

so you have two user paradigms. Hey sounds good. everybody ought to have their own paradigm too. Are you going to have another version for Car stereo, watch and embedded device? come on, Microsoft has them too. yay....

This isn't a matter of splitting the Palm OS into phone and PDA versions like Microsoft did. This is a matter of offering our licensees even more flexibility and ability to differentiate by allowing the creation of both inexpensive lower-end devices, and richer high-end devices.

do you actually believe your own drivel? So how do you explain that user cannot instal same software from one handheld to another, or how one handheld has different UI than the other?

Palmgear.com already has more compatibility symbols than pan galactic street signs, and now with this new paradigms Palm plans to add yet another 'flexibility'?

I have word for you: "platform fragmentation"

also check out what your goofy boss said about your type of move when done on WM. (welcome to eat your own word planet.)
http://www.businessweek.com/print/ma...3861037.htm?mz

I think Handspring, Samsung, GSL, and Kyocera have all demonstrated just how good of a phone you can build using the current OS.

And it's only going to get better.

Handspring is dead. quit pretending it is not. GSL phone is a no sale, and Kyochera latest phone is recalled for tendency of spontenous combustion. Samsung? anybody actually buy that dragonball phone?

well, after hitting such low point, of course just about anything will get better I suppose. What happen to SonyEricsson? Did you get sued yet?

PS. what's with Palm and the word 'Paradigm' did you just done reading Thomas Kuhn book or something? I hope this last longer than 'Palm economy, data centric, mass customization and Palm wireless ecosystem' or any other Buzz word bingo you've been throwing.

[Partita]

[quote="pdaisdead"]

Originally Posted by reidme

The PDA market is rapidly disappearing and margins are shrinking. This is only going to continue to worsen.

really? in general PPC is growing. what dissapearance? Palm's and Sony market maybe.

However, I wouldn't assume this new Palm OS won't have a touch screen.

If Palm Source can write (or modify) an OS that allows for a similar form factor, I think I and others would be all over it. And while were at it, the pricing needs to be "free" with a contract from carriers.

you are giving them way too much credit for this 'new strategy'.
I am willing to bet, after all being said and done, what we have is exactly like 4.2 vs 5.0. They can't afford dropping 4.2 in the low end and pushing 5.0 into that spot, so they maintain 4.2 in the low end.

same with treo & 5.0, they can't osborned themselves by killing treo 5.0 sale and introducing 6.0, so they are calling OS6.0 something else so user doesn't hold their gun and stop buying 5.0 treo.

but we shall see what their actual plan is next week.

[yslee]

Well, I guess you could be less myopic. The GSL phone is selling well here, along with the Treo 600 despite it's overly inflated price tag. I think it's a really nice phone, and it's of a good size actually, does plenty, but GPRS charges are a killer here.

[Partita]

Originally Posted by yslee

Well, I guess you could be less myopic. The GSL phone is selling well here, along with the Treo 600 despite it's overly inflated price tag. I think it's a really nice phone, and it's of a good size actually, does plenty, but GPRS charges are a killer here.

yeah a couple dozen sold in Singapore. lol
Congratulation.

(so has that phone stopped crashing yet? I've heard it's the most reliable feature)

[Steven Cedrone]

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