Nope - PS is going to close it off - no thrid party apps - or at least in the fashion that we know it ... all of them will probably have to come from the carriers via OTA or something - this = $$$
well according to what I have read, they are planing even to have backward compatibility to make current prcs running in a PalmOS-Linux enviroment
cool - until the the yankee carriers get their mits on it ... then we will see artificial limits on it (Treo650 BT anyone?) etc etc ....
If PS can avoid this then way cool ....
Again, Palm os Feature Phone, Palm Linux, Cobalt, Garnet, etc are all totally DIFFERENT priducts. I agree it can be very confusing...
Also, Palmsource is already offerring it's Feature phone interface as result of the CMS merger:
woopie, yet another palm os is dead article on ppts... :roll:
We'll see... The truth is that the shift to linux will do more to save palm os platform than destroy it. Palm Linux will basically be Cobalt Api's over linux kernal, so most protein based apps should port easily afaik. In addtion PalmSource has its Feature phone product to compete with the likes of Nokia's Series 40 etc which btw will be a HUGE market, much larger than high end smartphones. PalmOS Feature phone does not mean the death of PalmOS platform, it means geater growth into larger markets. Palmsource wants to be a player in both highend/lowend. In additon, there will still be Cobalt for lisencees in meantime. Garnet has really come to end of its life cycle and it's much easier to design smartphone using Cobalt than Garnet. For this reason, I think it's correct to infer LG probaby lisenced Cobalt for smartphone os as it would make the most sense. Furthermore, it will be interesting to see if any carrier picks up the Oswin/GSL Cobalt smartphone. I think this development would spur PalmOne to release a Cobalt Treo imo...
The biggest negative I truely see is the complete focus on smartphones only. I still think there is a viable pda market and would hate to see palmos become exclusively a smartphone focused platform like Symbian...
Wow! You've completely swallowed the Kool-Aid. Ask yourself WHEN these things will be happening. Explain to us the time-line of each milestone. Read the Micheal Mace interview for their estimates.
I look forward to reading your answer, and your explanation of why POS will not be irrelevant by the time they come out with a PLinux phone.
Surur
No where in that interview did Mace specifically say when LG signed as liscencee. For all we know it could have been many months ago or just last week. In the same vein we do not know what products, or what lisencees have any products in the pipeline right now...
What can be inferred is that the next gen Treo will arrive by end of this year/early 2006 and that there are already credible rumors for T5 upgrade and next gen Lifedrive. No one is expecting Palm Linux smartphones any time, but there definitely will be more garnet based devices and possibly Cobalt based device finally this year...
What can be inferred is that the next gen Treo will arrive by end of this year/early 2006 and that there are already credible rumors for T5 upgrade and next gen Lifedrive. No one is expecting Palm Linux smartphones any time, but there definitely will be more garnet based devices and possibly Cobalt based device finally this year...
I'm glad you get the first part (that PLinux devices will be very long in coming). The second part to get is that Garnet is waayyy past being capable of supporting new devices, as demonstrated by the poor performance of the LD. Trying to last another two years with Garnet will be the end of PalmOne (now palm) also.
Interesting hypothesis, but wrong. Linux-based PalmOS is nearly three years away, and when it does arrive it will face an impenetrable market owned by Symbian and Windows Mobile. That lack of developer interest today is proof of this. You don't see Motorola, Sony-Ericsson, or Nokia lining up to get their copy of PalmLinux...and you never will.
How do you know, or me for that matter? Did you know about LG? I don't think you should make such presumptions...
The shift to Palm Linux will actually make it easier for lisencees to develop and design products. For example the lack of basic telephony was one of the probs between palmsource and PalmOne. This will not be such an issue with Palm Linux...
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Wrong again. They WILL have a feature phone product....in three years. Too little, too late, and given their financial status, PalmSource won't survive long enough to give birth to this mutant child.
HUH? PalmSource already has feature phone product it's selling right now that it acquired from CMS merger! (see link above) There are already many lisencees in China/Asia using this. The next gen Feature phone will integrate palm os UI etc...
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True, but you're speaking as though this product is available now. It's vaporware. And the company building the product is on death's doorstep. And you're assuming handset vendors will be lining up to license this OS when it does arrive. That ain't gonna happen. After years of struggling to develop PalmLinux, PalmSource will find an even greater challenge in trying to market it's wares to potential customers. Provided they are still in business at that time.
That's your opinion...
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An operating system that nobody wants? Cobalt is so bad even PalmOne won't touch it. In case you've been living under a rock, Cobalt was a complete failure. It's one of the reasons why Nagel was handed his briefcase.
Cobalt is actaully very nice OS fyi. The lack of Cobalt devices is more to do with stupid Palmsource lisencing policy imo. Plus there's lots of issues between PalmOne and PalmSource regardng telephony support and etc that dissuaded them from releasing cobalt device yet. It doesn't mean the os was bad...
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The only "new" OS future Treo's are likely to ship with is Windows Mobile. And you can bet on that. With the end of Garnet comes a looming calamity for PalmOne: where do we go from here? The operating system that ship on its devices today is dead, with no future roadmap. And its successor won't appear for another 3 years. Where does that leave PalmOne? They can't keep limping along with Garnet for three more years hoping nobody notices the buzzards circling over Garnet's carcass. That means one of two things must happen..
Umm... PalmOne already renewed palmOS lisence till 2009. There will be new T series and LD models probably end of this year. Next Treo is already rumored for ~March 2006 release at latest. Earlier WM Treo rumor could be true, but imo it was more of levarging technique used by palm to pressure palmsource. If Palm does release WM Treo, it will probably do so concurrently with palmos version, not replacing palmos version...
I'm glad you get the first part (that PLinux devices will be very long in coming). The second part to get is that Garnet is waayyy past being capable of supporting new devices, as demonstrated by the poor performance of the LD. Trying to last another two years with Garnet will be the end of PalmOne (now palm) also.
Surur
Really, have you used LD? :roll: Btw, where's your insider data showing LD sales rates? :wink:
Really, have you used LD? :roll: Btw, where's your insider data showing LD sales rates? :wink:
I can't speak for the rest, but I have used a LifeDrive and it is by far the most unstable handheld I have ever owned. Preinstalled applications such as Pocket Tunes often cause a random reset. Resets seem to take for ever. Like most recent P1 offerings we have terrific hardware that is hamstrung by a hacked up 5+ year old OS.
As far as LifeDrive Sales, I haven't a clue to the actual figures, but the fact the LD is available at steep discounts within a month of release leads me to believe that they haven't been flying off the shelfs like the original iPaq.
The problem with P1 moving into the WM world is that they would then have to compete with Dell, HP, etc for the hearts and minds of users. What market share they have maintained is typically from those who prefer the Palm OS, warts and all. Why would they want to alienate those users, only to have to compete to win them back without their only perceived advantage?
The advantage of the Treo is in its dual nature. No one else has figured out how to build a PDA that works equally well as a phone, e.g. one-handed dialing. Once Magneto arrives, you get the same one-handed capability on the PPC platform that you get today with the Treo 650. It's a no-brainer and they will sell as many as they can build. I hear that Dell and P1 were close to an agreement where P1/HTC would build a Dell-branded Treo running Magneto. I hear the deal fell through only because Bluetooth is still a flaky technology.
I see no problem with P1 selling handsets that run your choice of OS. I'm not sure why they wanted to change the company's name to Palm though.
The advantage of the Treo is in its dual nature. No one else has figured out how to build a PDA that works equally well as a phone, e.g. one-handed dialing. Once Magneto arrives, you get the same one-handed capability on the PPC platform that you get today with the Treo 650. It's a no-brainer and they will sell as many as they can build. I hear that Dell and P1 were close to an agreement where P1/HTC would build a Dell-branded Treo running Magneto. I hear the deal fell through only because Bluetooth is still a flaky technology.
I agree with you regarding the Treo and the fact is probably the best converged device today. However, I see two potential flaws in a Windows Mobile Treo strategy. First, everyone else will have access to the new OS, so there will be nothing preventing HP, HTC, etc from releasing a phone with comparable features, ease of use, etc. Palm loses their advantage, then they have to compete on quality and price, something I'm not sure they can do. Second, much of the Treos usability has been derived from PalmOne's ability to hack the OS to make it one-handed friendly. PalmOne will not have that same ability with WM as MS has much stricter guidelines regarding what OEM can do with their OS.
So, while I'm at the front of the line wanting a WM Treo. I still wonder if there is really value for PalmOne to do it, short of not having a better alternative, I guess.
jees....I see this kind of statement all time here. It's indicative of how ignorant WM users really are of modern palmos. Just b/c they might have used palmos device 3-5 years ago, they think they know everything about palmos, but they really do not. The only thing that's same is the UI, which while now becoming outdated was preserved in Garnet on purpose. Practically anything that you can do on WM, you can do on Palmos...
jees....I see this kind of statement all time here. It's indicative of how ignorant Palm users really are of modern PalmOS.
I'll be the first to admit I haven't kept up with all of Palm's newer offerings but to say Palm is keeping up with WM is a fallacy. I played around with a Lifedrive and I was not impressed.
If they kept to standardized memory formats for one thing. My 7 year old 8Mb CF still runs fine and will do so for most PPC's. I cannot say the same for MS pro/duo/x/x. What about running the same card on another Palm?
My GPS Cf card was not cheap. I need to get atleast a few years of forward compatibility.
The screen was "washed out". Someone want to confirm it was 8/12 Bit?
Even my Dell X5 displayed better.
It wasn't altogether all that responsive. It was was kinda like the old Ipaq 3930 2002's with the StrongArm proccessors. Not the vaunted snappy response that PalmerOS'ers claim that Palm provides. The "Bloatware" MS OS was still better.
I still couldn't run a webpage over WiFi and cut'n'paste text into a word doc back and forth without knowing that it shut the webpage off and restarted it again. If it seamless switched back and forth ...Ok! I would consider it an acceptable compromise. A multitask OS is wasted on this single task brain. Seamless switching between single threads could easily compete with multitask in most respects but the key is...it didn't!
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