Re: PalmOne To Release PalmOS 6 devices in 2006. Maybe. Or Maybe Not.
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Originally Posted by Zack Mahdavi
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Originally Posted by Ed Hansberry
Cobalt was finished up a few months ago and is the code name for PalmOS 6.
A few months ago?? No, Palm OS 6 was released in January by PalmSource, and OS 6.1 was released a couple months ago. PalmSource is at version 6.1, yet nobody is using the OS! What's wrong with PalmOne? Man, I'm so glad I switched....
I don't know why I had it in my brain that 6.0 was recent. I guess the OS came out and then nothing happened, ever, until all the hoopla when 6.1 was RTM. That just makes it all the more ridiculious that the T5 shipped with 5.x. :roll:
Re: PalmOne To Release PalmOS 6 devices in 2006. Maybe. Or Maybe Not.
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Originally Posted by Ed Hansberry
I don't know why I had it in my brain that 6.0 was recent. I guess the OS came out and then nothing happened, ever, until all the hoopla when 6.1 was RTM. That just makes it all the more ridiculious that the T5 shipped with 5.x. :roll:
According some people i spoke to at PalmOne, they already started design on the T5 before OS 6.0 became final. Looks to me that PalmSource and PalmOne act too muck like independent companies instead of partners and that design decissions at PalmOne (that IMHO could easily have been changed) are carved in stone.
This, while Microsoft really cooporates closely with its OEM's in order to keep them informed and allow them to launch devices within weeks of the release of the OS....
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What the hell is Palm thinking??? 2006??? Un-freaking-believable.
Even if OS6 delivers all that it promises, it's about five years too late! - and with boring hardware like the T5, I won't be buying a new Palm any time soon.
I suspect he is actually talking to consumers, telling them "Dont wait for OS6 devices to come along. Buy now, because you may wait a very long time". They have had inventory problems due to people anticipating devices in the past Surur
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Originally Posted by Surur
The danger is though that Palm loyalists will decide their platform has become stagnant, and decide to switch to pocketpc, which at least seem to have incremental upgrades every year. Surur
The numbers seem to bear you out. Ed Hardy at Brighthand revealed the Gartner Worldwide Handheld Sales a short bit ago. :deal:
"palmOne's shipments fell by 13.3 percent, while HP's were up 19.6 percent.
This led to a situation that has never happened before: there were more Pocket PCs shipped last quarter than Palm OS devices. "
" Shipments of Palm OS handhelds are on track to decline about 23 percent this year, to about 4.4 million units.
At the same time, a rise in shipments of Pocket PC models is going on. Shipments of Pocket PCs this year are expected to increase about 15 percent over 2003, to about 5 million units. "
" Although Dell has a relatively small share of the world handheld market, just 6.5 percent, its sales are up 37.4 percent over the same quarter a year ago. Plus, it has a larger percent of the U.S. handheld market, 9.1 percent. "
Re: PalmOne To Release PalmOS 6 devices in 2006. Maybe. Or Maybe Not.
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Originally Posted by Ed Hansberry
On a related note, anyone know when PalmOS will have a true native file system?
When I used to have a Palm I missed the filesystem so badly. The funny thing is that Microsoft is moving in the Palm direction with their WinFS filesystem which is built on top of MSSQL.
Maybe Palm is lightyears ahead and we just havenīt noticed :lol:
Re: PalmOne To Release PalmOS 6 devices in 2006. Maybe. Or Maybe Not.
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Originally Posted by aliensub
The funny thing is that Microsoft is moving in the Palm direction with their WinFS filesystem
Not quite. SQL is a lot more sophisticated than the PDB format. In addition, I suspect WinFS will have the standard directory abstraction for some time until our computing methodologies can transition to a non-directory structure. In the meantime, it's a glaring weakness of Palm devices IMHO.
Re: PalmOne To Release PalmOS 6 devices in 2006. Maybe. Or Maybe Not.
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Originally Posted by Janak Parekh
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Originally Posted by aliensub
The funny thing is that Microsoft is moving in the Palm direction with their WinFS filesystem
Not quite. SQL is a lot more sophisticated than the PDB format. In addition, I suspect WinFS will have the standard directory abstraction for some time until our computing methodologies can transition to a non-directory structure. In the meantime, it's a glaring weakness of Palm devices IMHO.
--janak
As far as WinFS goes, they've being promising this filesystem in one form or other since Cairo (mid 90s), and now it's yanked from Longhorn...
The delay on OS6 from Palm is weird though and I agree with JvanEkris - the two Palm companies or obviously nto working closely together enough (mind you if they work too closely they'll probably get in trouble with the remaining Palm licensees). It's also a pity, I was looking forwards to seeing a device with OS6 in the near future, competition is always good, but apart from the T3 I've not really wanted any of the recent Palm devices.
Re: PalmOne To Release PalmOS 6 devices in 2006. Maybe. Or Maybe Not.
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Originally Posted by JvanEkris
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Originally Posted by Ed Hansberry
I don't know why I had it in my brain that 6.0 was recent. I guess the OS came out and then nothing happened, ever, until all the hoopla when 6.1 was RTM. That just makes it all the more ridiculious that the T5 shipped with 5.x. :roll:
According some people i spoke to at PalmOne, they already started design on the T5 before OS 6.0 became final. Looks to me that PalmSource and PalmOne act too muck like independent companies instead of partners and that design decissions at PalmOne (that IMHO could easily have been changed) are carved in stone.
This, while Microsoft really cooporates closely with its OEM's in order to keep them informed and allow them to launch devices within weeks of the release of the OS....
Jaap
Thats a big lie to try in vain to counter the bad feedback the T5 is getting from even the staunchest Palm loyalists.
Palm before the split into PalmSource and PalmOne was one company where the people were already working on OS6, they had intimate knoledge about the OS and when it would release etcetera and as mentioned before OS6 was released to the development comunity in december 2K3.
For PalmOne to use that excuse now is an outright insult and borders on desperation.
Re: PalmOne To Release PalmOS 6 devices in 2006. Maybe. Or Maybe Not.
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Originally Posted by Fishie
Thats a big lie to try in vain to counter the bad feedback the T5 is getting from even the staunchest Palm loyalists.
I'm a long time Palm user - I've owned a dozen of them - but even I'm losing faith in the company, as do many other palm users. The T5 simply sucks. It's bad hardware.
- It looks cheap
- It's made of plastic
- It doesn't have WiFi
- It doesn't have OS6
etc. etc.
Yes, it has a larger screen and a lot of memory, but the lack of WiFi and OS6 means it's a step *backwards* for some users. Or at least, not a step forwards that'd make them willing to spend that kind of cash on that hardware. My Clie TH55 has BT, WiFi, camera, etc. for less then what the T5 costs.
So, palm is releasing ****ty hardware with an old OS - and with the loss of sony, nobody is making decent products. It's no wonder most Palm users are considering a switch for their next device....
I love my Clie, but next time I'm buying a PDA, it'll definitely be a Pocket PC.
Re: PalmOne To Release PalmOS 6 devices in 2006. Maybe. Or Maybe Not.
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