[Foo Fighter]

PIC has what might be a possible screenshot of the new OS. But judging from the description, it sounds more like a concept UI design.

[Foo Fighter]

PIC has what might be a possible screenshot of the new OS. But judging from the description, it sounds more like a concept UI design.

[Jonathan1]

NICE.....high rez screen AND multitasking. Add virtual input area and something other then graffiti (Isn’t Palm going to Jot?) and I will switch back to Palm.

[Jonathan1]

LOL never mind my previous post. Foo has answered the virtual input area.

PS are they going to add a real file system yet?

[roberto_torres]

Wow these new palms look really cool. Higher resolution than PPC, full office compatibility (now they even do native .doc and .xls).

Also now there is a new Divx player for Palm OS. http://mmplayer.com/


I hope Microsoft takes notice and does not leave us behind.

PS: In palm you can play music in the background with the included Real player, also all other music player and snappermail, and versamail allow background running.


Also Microsoft should definitely add a Close button. If it weren't for the good guys at SBP and their incredibly cool Pocket Plus, I would not be using PPC. :wink:

[Nellwaskilled]

I thought you were going all crazy about the Kinoma? what happens?

Well by the time any device is out based on this OS (Q1-2 '04) I think we already see some sort of rumor of CE 5.0

[ricksfiona]

Call me paranoid, but have you noticed that the people 'talking-up' the Tungsten have posted less than a dozen times since they've joined?

My 2 cents:
1) Yes, the screen on the Tungsten looks VERY nice. BUT, since I can't find the specifications for it ANYWHERE, it looks like the screen size is smaller than my IPAQ 3870, which is unacceptable in my book. I do quite a bit of data entry on my IPAQ and it get's really old to input data on such a small screen.

2) It's a very cool looking device. HP needs to lend it's expertise in this arena to the IPAQ. Though the 1910 is still sleeker than the Tungsten. I would like to get a thumb-based keyboard that would be color-coordinated to my IPAQ.

3) 400MHz on a Palm would be blazingly fast! Of course, try running any version of DOS on a Pentium 4. Run WordPerfect 5.1-DOS versus WordPerfect 10-WinXP and see which runs faster. But then again, you can't multi-task in DOS (not natively). For the Palm zealots, it might not be as important.

4) Palm may get multi-tasking ready by early 2004, but that doesn't mean that all applications will be optimized, or even compatible with the OS. Expect 3 - 6 months of break-in time.

I'm impressed that PALM has made such progress in a short amount of time. But, I agree with an earlier post about it being 'too little too late'. Though, Palm still has a big market share of the PDA market and may keep that share or increase it with with these new found features.

I see the Palm and Pocket PC as two different markets. Palm types like to keep things simple while the PPC group wants features and power. Unless Palm changes it's form factor, they won't be able to make in-roads into the PPC group. You just can't have the same kind of features in a form factor that's 25% smaller than your competitor.

I think the Tungsten is a kick-ass product for the Palm people. Built-in Wi-Fi and that beautiful screen make it rock!

But, you can't match the versatility, HUGE application diversity and peripherals that you can get with the Pocket PC. Hey, it's all about accesorizing!

[Jonathan1]

Originally Posted by Nellwaskilled

I thought you were going all crazy about the Kinoma? what happens?

Well by the time any device is out based on this OS (Q1-2 '04) I think we already see some sort of rumor of CE 5.0

4th quarter 2003 and where are these rumors of CE 5 you talk of?

Also there is something to be said for a company that doesn't have their hand in to many cookie jars. Microsoft could drop the Pocket PC tomorrow and they wouldn't miss a beat. Palm on the other hand...if they stop swimming they die. Palm HAS to keep innovating to stay alive or if nothing else from being bought out. To date there hasn’t been a whole heck of a lot to get excited over when it comes to Palm. This changes things.

[Foo Fighter]

Originally Posted by Jonathan1

...4th quarter 2003...

No, that is when the OS will be released to OEMs. Hardware based on OS6 won't appear on the market until early to mid-2004.

[cdunphy]

But, you can't match the versatility, HUGE application diversity and peripherals that you can get with the Pocket PC. Hey, it's all about accesorizing!

Uhm, I just can't let this one pass....

Versatility.... In hardware, PalmOS runs on devices ranging from the Fossil watch to the Garmin PDA to the laptop-like Alphasmart to the as-small-as-a-phone Samsung i500 to the 802.11 enabled Tungsten-C, and so on... Not to mention the uber-devices from Sony.

Pocket PC runs on a bunch of all but identical clones. Yawn.

The PalmOS wins hands down when comparing the breadth and versatility of solutions.

Application diversity?!?! Check out PalmGear.com.... I've never heard anyone argue that Pocket PC has more applications than PalmOS. Really - whatever your niche, there is likely PalmOS software out for it. Lots of it. And don't bother with the '1000 calculators' retort - there is a LOT of really good, very powerful, and very professional software out for PalmOS.

Peripherals? Again - a larger installed base leads to more accessories. PalmOS wins again....


If it is indeed all about accessorizing, you really are hanging out in the wrong camp. (Unless you consider a Today screen theme THAT exciting....)


- chris

PS - I'm not saying that there aren't cool apps, nor hardware for Pocket PC. There are actually quit a bit of the former, and even a bit of the later. But it does bother me when I see Pocket PC fans who's only concept of a PalmOS device is an old Palm V running nothing more advanced than the calendar app. If you haven't checked out what the latest PalmOS apps can do, you are really doing yourself a disservice.

[Jonathan1]

Originally Posted by Foo Fighter

No, that is when the OS will be released to OEMs. Hardware based on OS6 won't appear on the market until early to mid-2004.

I thought Palminfocenter said summer early fall for OS6...dang