You were referring to Treos being included in the study. I didn't know for sure either, but actually I checked and IDC does NOT include smartphones. So no the Treo 180 models are not included in the marketshare numbers. The 90 models are, but not the communicators.
I don't understand this on IDC's part (maybe they just want to sell a new piece of research in a new category), but if this isn't a Palm OS based "handheld device", I don't know what is.
You were referring to Treos being included in the study. I didn't know for sure either, but actually I checked and IDC does NOT include smartphones. So no the Treo 180 models are not included in the marketshare numbers. The 90 models are, but not the communicators.
Yeah, I just saw another article that said all Handspring devices weren't included, meaning Treo 180/270's.
Hmmm.... I wonder if when Pocket PC 2002 Phone Edition starts shipping if they will not include those either? :?
I get it. It is just because of the form factor not feature
As a palm user for years (now eyeing toshiba e310 afther seeing the pic of Oslo) and active palm community member I get it (why people are bashing the Oslo). I can't speak for everyone on PalmInfocenter but I can speak for my friends and myself and here are my thougths:
Many of you have posted that Palm users are bashing the Oslo because it is not simple and has multimedia features, thats totally wrong. Palm users want High resolution, MP3 and multimedia, that why Clie is selling so well.
Palm people bash the oslo for two important reasons:
1) Size: Plam created the ultra thin category with their .4 inch Palm V (PPC recently reached ultra thin size). From the V on every high end palm handheld has used similar ultra thing form factor. Plam users have always critiziced PPC due to their size. Now the Oslo comes out breaking that patter with a huge .75 inch thickness, bigger than ppc. with this palm loses its main advantage of size.
2) Shape: The sliding mechanism does not add aniything to the desing, palm OS users wanted virtual graffity not a Zaurus clone.
All in all we Plam users want more power and multimedia but definitely not at the cost fo size.
Multimedia? Not so much. There are a few things I still struggle with on my Palm, but multimedia is not one of them. I love the size of my m505 and can't forsee going to a much larger size (maybe a little bit larger, but not much). Here's a thought... how about an email client that handles most popular attachments correctly, can connect via modem or wireless, and doesn't have a monthly fee. Yes, MultiMail does some of this, but it's buggy. Eudora doesn't do attachments, and DataViz Mail doesn't do POP3 (only syncs with a desktop, though it does attachments VERY well).
How about a plain text file viewer that can handle the expansion card FAT directory structure? How about a built-in image viewer?
Wi-Fi - got it. Bluetooth - got it. Web surfing - got it.
The new ARM speed will be nice, but not critical (Palm is already very fast). Higher resolution color? Nice, but not critical. Virtual Grafitti? Hated it when I had it, don't like it on PPC either.
PPC has most of the things Palm devices are missing in the above list... but I'm still waiting for the size to come down...
No one is complaining about the Oslo's features, but its siz
The Oslo is being blasted for its massive size not for the features.
First excuse me for interrupting the forum, I am a loyal Palm OS user and want to clarify something you got wrong about PICs forum.
I don't know how you got the Idea that people are complaining about Oslo's features but it is wrong. Every complain about the oslo has been about its thickness. Afther having used a slim sub .5 inch m515 it is impossible for palm users to go to a .75 inch device. Features? what we want is more features.
Palm promised to continue making the most compact slimmest handhelds with OS 5, but they failed their promise. :cry:
Also Palm users want virtual graffity like the Clie NR, the stupid useless folding graffity cover in Oslo just adds insult to injury and remember us how much we want Virtual graffity.
I hope this answers your though and now you can "get it"
"So, back to my original thought. I don't get why the Oslo is being blasted at PIC by Palm's core users."
PS: Also consider that most people at PIC are inresponsible 13 years olds that don't know how to politely express their opinion and simply start "bashing" and flamming.
from the sounds of you palm users, it seems like the toshiba e310 would be a perfect "match" for you guys. pretty much all the reviews of it say it's an amazing device, and it's extremely thin - .4 inches according to Toshiba. it has all the multimedia features of Pocket PC, no sliding hardware feature, and no hardware graffiti area. (not to mention no graffiti at all! yay for real handwriting recognition). and its list price is $399, the same as the m515.
btw - where are all these palm users coming from? because they're speaking earnestly and logically, i have no problem with them, but i'm just wondering who pointed them towards this thread.
Thanks for your suggestion with the e310, that is definitely a nice looking PPC. But it is still too long for may taste and I prefeer Palm OS. In the future if all Palm OS 5 handhelds come out as bigh (.75inch thick) as the Oslo I may consider a PPC.
By the way do you or someone else knows if Vaja is going to make cases for the e310? A friend of mine is interested.
About where Palm OS peoople where pointed to your site: Well maybe from the same place you PPC people found out about Palm Info Center :wink: . To be truthfull some PDA enthusiasts are always looking at various operating systems not just owr OS of choice, ie, Palm, PPC, Linux/Java. It is good to see the handheld market grow; in general it if weren't for variety and competition prices on PDAs would be a lot higher and innovation would be slower.
Palm community in general is definitely not represented by the inmature posters at Palm Info Center, the mayority of Palm people don't post on sites. Most palm enthusiasts are very polite and open minded people not "zen guys" like some people think. Palm users want features in their devices like Sony that introduced the 320x480 screens, but definitely we don't want a geeky useless folding graffity area in a bulky .75 inch device.
Treo Communicators not considered "handhelds"
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