you gonna need major accounting trickery to say PPC is not gaining market share while Palm OS is not loosing.
both worlwide and US market Palm OS is loosing market share. The quesiton is only what is the rate of change. I doubt Pam Inc. can even maintain 25% by next year.
> 3)....The beauty of OS 5 is that it's compatible with so many different chips and hardware sets. Palm source has said that diversity is the "killer app".
well talking and actual hardware reality is totally different thing isn't it? PALM is only supporting ARM V4. There is no indication they will support SH, MIPS, X86, etc. WinCE kernel support this. Tho' in PPC it is only ARM v4 as well.
you gonna need major accounting trickery to say PPC is not gaining market share while Palm OS is not loosing.
Losing and gaining marketshare is not indicative of progress all of the time.
For example, if Palm went out of existence and iPAQ's lost 50% of their sales, HP would now have 75-80% of the market, but the lost sales is not good.
But what happened here is despite a declining market in Q2, HP actually sold more devices than they did in Q1 (both quarters treated as of HP/CPQ were one company) while Palm sold 33% fewer units and the overall market declined 16.5%.
I think to a certain degree it does. Market share increase correlate to market interest and steady uptick indicates healthy acceptance. Of course, assuming there is no catastrophic change as you describe, which than the number really doens't tell acceptance accurately, but more describing withdrawal of major players. But the long term trend remains, Palm down, PPC up
More importantly in this Palm vs PPC discussion, it could very well be true that it indicates OS mindshare.
To stray back on to topic for a second here, I think the real reason Palm users are blasting the Oslo and OS5 is that it is getting away from the Zen of simplicity. I know, I know, that's a load of dreck, but the Palm marketing department has spent years and millions of dollars convincing their users that that is why Palm is the best. I think maybe they are coming up against their own propaganda now and have to find a way of saying that the functionality of PPC isn't such a bad thing after all, as long as Palms the one making the device. :lol:
I am a palm os user and to tell you the truth, i DESPISE the crowd at PIC.
It seems like all the comments are made by idiotic kids. It pisses me off even more that the crowd there is looked at as "THE" palm user crowd.
I haven't seen a news itm on that place yet that hasn't been hit with a "Too Little Too Late..." comment. Bleahhhhhhh..
That has to be the most overused and tired post i have ever seen or read.
Nothing satisfies is right. They are children.
The actual forums on PIC seem to be a lot better. But the front page crowd? Sicken me.
Oslo looks like nice device. Not something I'll buy (waiting for a new virtual graffiti clie) but still, fits a nice amount of features that I know will be great for many.
It seems like all the comments are made by idiotic kids. It pisses me off even more that the crowd there is looked at as "THE" palm user crowd.
They allow anonymous posting, right? That's a big factor that raise the noise ratio...it's easier to shoot your mouth off if you don't have to register in a forum.
To stray back on to topic for a second here, I think the real reason Palm users are blasting the Oslo and OS5 is that it is getting away from the Zen of simplicity. I know, I know, that's a load of dreck, but the Palm marketing department has spent years and millions of dollars convincing their users that that is why Palm is the best. I think maybe they are coming up against their own propaganda now and have to find a way of saying that the functionality of PPC isn't such a bad thing after all, as long as Palms the one making the device. :lol:
I think that is a big part of it. Palm's mantra has been if we don't have it, you don't need it. How many times did they tell you you don't need:
• Color
• Audio
• Storage Cards
• Multitasking
• More than 2MB/4MB/8MB/16MB of memory?
• More than 16MHz, 20MHz, 25MHz, 33MHz
Now that they are capable of most of the above, they are increasingly running into their users telling Palm they don't want more. Zen brainwashing, and it is now hurting Palm.
I think that is a big part of it. Palm's mantra has been if we don't have it, you don't need it. How many times did they tell you you don't need:
• Color
• Audio
• Storage Cards
• Multitasking
• More than 2MB/4MB/8MB/16MB of memory?
• More than 16MHz, 20MHz, 25MHz, 33MHz
Now that they are capable of most of the above, they are increasingly running into their users telling Palm they don't want more. Zen brainwashing, and it is now hurting Palm.
I was wondering how long it would take you to restate this nonsense. I've told you a million times before and I'll tell you again, Palm (and its customers voting with their money) have said "We don't want color, audio, storage cards, etc. if it means the device will be a brick, cost $500, and won't make it through one day without being recharged." That's where the technology was 2 years ago. Technology has caught up since then (though it still has a ways to go). Palm, Inc. may have moved slowly in adopting these new technologies, but when you're in charge of maintaining the OS and have to build in support for them while maintaining backward compatibility, it takes longer.
It seems like all the comments are made by idiotic kids. It pisses me off even more that the crowd there is looked at as "THE" palm user crowd.
They allow anonymous posting, right? That's a big factor that raise the noise ratio...it's easier to shoot your mouth off if you don't have to register in a forum.
Very true. And that's something that several people (well ones who used to post 1yr+ ago) were trying to get changed over there.
It became a divide since some people say that users leak info under anonymous posts.
I say screw that. If they wanna leak info, go to a public net terminal and email Ed anonymously. Plain and simple.
Maybe if they allowed only registered users to post, this would change, but i can't stress the MAYBE any more.
I was wondering how long it would take you to restate this nonsense. I've told you a million times before and I'll tell you again, Palm (and its customers voting with their money) have said "We don't want color, audio, storage cards, etc. if it means the device will be a brick, cost $500, and won't make it through one day without being recharged." That's where the technology was 2 years ago. Technology has caught up since then (though it still has a ways to go). Palm, Inc. may have moved slowly in adopting these new technologies, but when you're in charge of maintaining the OS and have to build in support for them while maintaining backward compatibility, it takes longer.
Scott
How about Sony's NR-70? (bulky, color, $699, and selling well)
How about these more mundane items that was also given same excuse? Is it also immature bleeding edge hardware technology?
Do you really believe "technology cought on" song and dance? gimme a break. I am wiling to bet they will also say the same excuse about Wi-Fi/BT, Big screen, USB2.0, SD/IO etc etc...
Palm Inc. simply doesn't have the capability to incorporate recent hardware technology. They need massive engineering help from TI for OSLO, while on OS5.0 they finally give up and bought BE to develop the 6.0.
Now let's analyze Oslo, it fails to incorporate latest screen technology. the OS fails to take full possibility of ARM. the GUI are still hardware dependent. No possibility of CF support. There is no GAPI. etc etc.
Is this also a case of "hardware technology" fails to cough on? or Palm has no know-how to integrate them? How about OS aspect? How come the more advance E310 can be marketed at $399 en par with m515? they certainly cannot blame external development, but their own failure to innovate and add crucial features.
Palm fails to push the technological envelop. Period. There is nobody to blame but themselves. They could have created ARM based PDA several months before iPAQ and maintain technological lead. But they didn't.
Instead they were embroiled on the 90's excess and stupidity and still suffering the result.
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