[alese]

Originally Posted by mbranscum

If you go out any city in the United States you won't see ordinary people carrying a Treo, or HTC, or Q, or some other smartphone. What you will see is a lot of Razrs. People buy them for a lot of reasons. Mainly because they look good, have great RF, good battery life and are easy to use.

I guess this discussion is in the wrong forum, because you can't compare RAZR with smartphones. RAZR is (original) is pretty much a "dumb" phone just like many other Nokia, Samsung, SonyEricsson, Benq... phones. And believe me in Europe it's Nokia that is the easiest to use and has the best reception, if you ask an average user.
I was beeing sarcastic a bit in my previous post, but the truth is just rehashing the same old design got Motorola in trouble and I don't think a new RAZR is going to get them out.

As for HTC, they released 4 devices based on HTC Wizard design in last 2 years, and most of their announced new devices are just rehashes/uupgrades of existing devices or the same HW in a different shell, so they are doing the Motorola and they are allready experiencing decreases in sales...

[alese]

Originally Posted by mbranscum

If you go out any city in the United States you won't see ordinary people carrying a Treo, or HTC, or Q, or some other smartphone. What you will see is a lot of Razrs. People buy them for a lot of reasons. Mainly because they look good, have great RF, good battery life and are easy to use.

I guess this discussion is in the wrong forum, because you can't compare RAZR with smartphones. RAZR is (original) is pretty much a "dumb" phone just like many other Nokia, Samsung, SonyEricsson, Benq... phones. And believe me in Europe it's Nokia that is the easiest to use and has the best reception, if you ask an average user.
I was beeing sarcastic a bit in my previous post, but the truth is just rehashing the same old design got Motorola in trouble and I don't think a new RAZR is going to get them out.

As for HTC, they released 4 devices based on HTC Wizard design in last 2 years, and most of their announced new devices are just rehashes/uupgrades of existing devices or the same HW in a different shell, so they are doing the Motorola and they are allready experiencing decreases in sales...

[Rocco Augusto]

the truth is, as long as motorola keeps offering RAZR like devices and giving them away from next-to-free there will be no need for the next RAZR. if there is one thing i learned while working for all the carriers, the free phone (or device that costs less than $50) will always be the hot devices

[Rocco Augusto]

Originally Posted by eric

BTW--have you read this phones specs? Touch screen high resolution screens with tactile feedback!, HSPDA, Crystal Talk (sounds like the technology in a Jawbone), music playback (Jerry IMHO you're in left field--a lot of people think the idea of listening to a book or music on their phone is nice--sorry).

you know, i use to think the same thing until i bought a zune. everything about a dedicated music device is just so much better than whatever functionality you could get on a cellular handset. there is just no going back to watching movies or listening to music on my handset.

[mbranscum]

Originally Posted by Rocco Augusto

the truth is, as long as motorola keeps offering RAZR like devices and giving them away from next-to-free there will be no need for the next RAZR. if there is one thing i learned while working for all the carriers, the free phone (or device that costs less than $50) will always be the hot devices

How about the Blackjack for $49 at Cingular or free at other places with rebate.

[mbranscum]

Originally Posted by alese

I guess this discussion is in the wrong forum, because you can't compare RAZR with smartphones. RAZR is (original) is pretty much a "dumb" phone just like many other Nokia, Samsung, SonyEricsson, Benq...

Never was comparing them to a smartphone. Just making a point that no matter how smart the phone is, the mass market simply won't buy it unless it's simple to operate and has good, reliable call quality. More smartphones are getting there, but WM still has a ways to go.

[Jerry Raia]

Have any of you read the article? Motorola is no longer doing well with it. The RAZR didn't perpetuate the theory. If it is so wonderful, this remade recolored wonder, why are the sales falling flat?

[Mike Temporale]

Originally Posted by Jerry Raia

Have any of you read the article? Motorola is no longer doing well with it. The RAZR didn't perpetuate the theory. If it is so wonderful, this remade recolored wonder, why are the sales falling flat?

I think the sales are slowing across the board. I'm sure it's nothing lasting, but it seems to me that it's a slow period. HTC has seen a slump as well. (Now I haven't done any research to see if that is the case with other manufacturers.)

I agree that Moto has milked the RAZR for all it's worth, and I think it's time for a new design for keep the life of the name alive.

[Mike Temporale]

Originally Posted by alese

As for HTC, they released 4 devices based on HTC Wizard design in last 2 years, and most of their announced new devices are just rehashes/uupgrades of existing devices or the same HW in a different shell, so they are doing the Motorola and they are allready experiencing decreases in sales...

yes and no. HTC has released other phones based on the same platform, but they've focused more on modifying the look of the phone and not tuning the inside. Where are Moto has tuned the internals to make it a better preforming device. Plus a lot of the different releases from HTC are carrier changes and not actual model changes. The carrier comes along and says "yes, we'll take that wizard platform, change the body to look more like <blah> and remove feature <blah>, etc..." It's not HTC pushing a version 2 of the wizard platform or anything. This is the reason that we still see dust issues with HTC devices - years after the problem surfaced.