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Old 09-10-2004, 07:20 PM
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Thanks - this has been very useful.

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Old 09-10-2004, 08:56 PM
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Oh, regarding the security. In the Exchange model, the device uses HTTPS for sync'ing data. So there is security. Which is good but geeks love to talk about BES security model.

And my final judgement was based on user experience. On a cell network with good data download speed (Verizon or future 3G networks) Exchange server should/would do well.

BES is not cheap but BlackBerry offers a Desktop Redirector (PC based solution), which does pretty much the same stuff, is aimed at small to medium sized corporations.
 
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Old 09-10-2004, 09:06 PM
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Now if they will just combine all of the great features into one device (the push technology, SureType, mp3 and wma, mpeg and wmv, .NET and java games, speakerphones, expandable memory (one of blackberries greatest flaws), digital camera and GPS, bluetooth and Wi-Fi) all in a clamshell, we will finally have a perfect device!

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My ideal Smartphone.

Body style - Nokia 6800, I love the design!
OS - Windows Mobile 2003 SE for Smartphone or higher :-)
Sync - Blackberry & Exchange both should be supported by the device (let the user decide, just like POP3 vs IMAP).
Connectivity - GSM (GPRS/EDGE/3G), Bluetooth and WiFi
 
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My ideal Smartphone.

Body style - Nokia 6800, I love the design!
OS - Windows Mobile 2003 SE for Smartphone or higher :-)
Sync - Blackberry & Exchange both should be supported by the device (let the user decide, just like POP3 vs IMAP).
Connectivity - GSM (GPRS/EDGE/3G), Bluetooth and WiFi
Sounds nice, Kris. The 6800 is cool, but I prefer a real clamshell that protects the main screen, since I never keep my phones in a case (just carry them in a pocket). It is amazing to me, though, how reasonable our ideal phones really are. Is there any reason why "the powers that be" cannot satisfy all of our desires in one device? It's not like we are asking for the world here. I just want the companies to work together to reach the licencing agreements and deals that they need to reach to give me the best features from all of the different innovations, that clearly already exist, in one place. I want simple, standard connectors like mini-usb, irDA, bluetooth, wi-fi, and GPS, Quad GSM, and GPRS. I want a clamshell. I want to play my games, listen to my music, and get my work done. I want to be able to communicate with clients by voice or email with equal ease and efficiency. I believe that the perfect consumer device and the perfect business/enterprise device are the SAME device. After all, us businessmen are consumers, too, and kids at heart . . .
 
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I believe that the perfect consumer device and the perfect business/enterprise device are the SAME device. After all, us businessmen are consumers, too, and kids at heart . . .
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It is amazing to me, though, how reasonable our ideal phones really are. Is there any reason why "the powers that be" cannot satisfy all of our desires in one device? It's not like we are asking for the world here. I just want the companies to work together to reach the licencing agreements and deals that they need to reach to give me the best features from all of the different innovations, that clearly already exist, in one place. I want simple, standard connectors like mini-usb, irDA, bluetooth, wi-fi, and GPS, Quad GSM, and GPRS. I want a clamshell. I want to play my games, listen to my music, and get my work done. I want to be able to communicate with clients by voice or email with equal ease and efficiency. I believe that the perfect consumer device and the perfect business/enterprise device are the SAME device. After all, us businessmen are consumers, too, and kids at heart . . .
Here, Here! Well said. I will add that you should say "business-people". :wink: :lol:
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Here, Here! Well said. I will add that you should say "business-people". :wink: :lol:
Right. Please forgive my political incorrectness. I sincerely meant to type business-people, but sometimes when ranting/typing too fast for my own good I make a mistake or two. Let me state that women are one of the fastest growing groups of successful entrepreneurs and active, early adopters of smartphone and other technology solutions. I would not want to offend so vital a segment of society and our global economy . . . Thanks for all business-people everywhere do to make our world a better place.
 
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My ideal Smartphone.

Body style - Nokia 6800, I love the design!
OS - Windows Mobile 2003 SE for Smartphone or higher :-)
Sync - Blackberry & Exchange both should be supported by the device (let the user decide, just like POP3 vs IMAP).
Connectivity - GSM (GPRS/EDGE/3G), Bluetooth and WiFi
It was the 6800 series (more precisely, the 6820 in the UK) that got my boss interested in what BlackBerry might do for the company. One of the biggest difficulties faced by users at the moment is how to handle the text. I'm not really a great fan of character recognition on the Pocket PC - I can do it, but I'm quite slow. In fact, I can generally type faster than I can write (legibly!).

So, if I'm to introduce a remote email solution that works with a small device (i.e. not a laptop), it needs to have a reasonable means of text input. Both the Nokia and the new BlackBerry handsets appear to tackle this in interesting ways. I haven't looked at a thumbboard on any of the new PPCs yet to decide whether or not they would work for me or, more importantly, the staff I have to provide a service to - they are very fussy :wink:.

There is also the form factor issue to take into account. I think that a device that is roughly the size of a mobile phone is more likely to be acceptable than a device the size of a Pocket PC from the perspective of something that needs to be carried around all of the time. Granted, you get less screen real-estate, but those are the compromises you make.

Shame really - synchronisation over GPRS with Exchange 2003 is actually very fast. I just don't think there is a device out there yet that would meet my needs from a PPCPE/SP perspective.

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I haven't looked at a thumbboard on any of the new PPCs yet to decide whether or not they would work for me or...
Thumb-board or keyboard attachments are great. But the problem is that they are attachments. You have to lug them around separately. :-(

When I was using SE T68i as my primary phone. I had bought "three" keyboard/thumb-board attachment for that phone. I kept one at work, one at home and one in the car. This way I "thought" that I will have it whenever I need it. But needless to say, I would still be without it when I really needed it.
 
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