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Old 11-09-2007, 05:57 AM
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Okay, so in reading this and realizing that it's NOT me causing the poor performance in the HP WM5 upgrade (what a wasted $40), then discovering that people have actually blended new installs of WM5 for the hx4700, and THEN discovering there's even a WM6 upgrade... which the heck do I choose? Given an actual choice between WM5, or WM6 on this hx4700 (or Familiar Linux with GPE or Opie), which am I supposed to choose? What are the pros and cons of each, what should my criteria be? Do I choose neither and go back to WM4.2 (or go to Linux) because they've proven buggy in the months since?

Now 'scuse me while I sit down for a moment to stop my head from spinning! *thud*
 
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Old 11-09-2007, 06:59 AM
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Tell us more about this fabled WM6 upgrade.
 
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Old 11-09-2007, 01:41 PM
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I found it linked from one of the referenced threads in this one here. It can also easily be found using Google. I'm looking right at it now:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325727

Its author is the same guy that produced this WM5 ROM, kozhura, and the thread is already months old, from August. I've already downloaded the file, so now I have tweaked ROMs for both WM5 and WM6 sitting here burning a hole in my hard drive. The QUESTION is which one I should use, or neither?

Tell me again how this is "fabled", when people are actually using it? I suspect you're not the right person to answer my questions.
 
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Old 11-09-2007, 03:02 PM
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Keep us up to date on this one. If it works for the 4700 I might have to try it out.
 
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Old 11-09-2007, 04:07 PM
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*sigh*

Did you not actually read the OP of this thread nor the one to which I linked? The issue at hand is not whether they "work", because people are using both of them. The issue at hand, and the question I need to answer, is which one is the better more effective upgrade. I'm sure both have pros and cons, and I was hoping someone could summarize them, rather than me (and every other newcomer) having to slog through 100+ pages of posts in two or more xda-dev or brighthand threads.

Forums are great, but there's rarely enough "oversight" or summarization of what goes on. The Collective Consciousness doesn't benefit as much as it could. In this instance specifically, while Menneisyys' (OLD) post here about the kozhura WM5 ROM is great, where's the grander review comparing the strengths of both that and his WM6 ROM? *That* is what I'm after!
 
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:02 AM
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It is fabled to me since I've never heard of it before. I'd really like it if Menneisyys would give it a go.

As far as the WM5 upgrade is concerned: I've been using it for quite some time now and hasn't had any problems with it.

Why don't you test out the WM6 rom and tell us how it went?
 
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Old 11-10-2007, 10:41 AM
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I'm already using the kozhura WM5 ROM now. It does appear to perform faster, but at least for me there's a cost: even before installing or running any applications, there was only about 30MB of RAM free, with about 28MB occupied by something which wasn't visible as tasks. My guess, based on something I read, is that one of the performance enhancements was an increase in some of the internal caching the OS is doing. So that might be a significant trade-off. I doubt if 30MB free as a baseline is enough for me, and I can't afford the $170 it would cost to have the RAM upgraded to 128.

Also, there are features present that are NOT present in the HP release, but there are also some conspicuous things MISSING, like the HP iPAQ Audio utility. It also lacks, or did lack, "A2DP" support for stereo bluetooth headphones (another luxury I can't afford but many have). I have yet to go back through those huge xda-dev or other threads and find out if there's a way of restoring things like that after the fact (and what sort of hit I'd suffer for them not being in ROM.

This is why a CHART needs to happen, one comparing the relative compromises that WM2003SE, HP WM5, kozhura WM5, and kozhura WM6 ROMs! I'm a lousy guy to do it, for neurological reasons you don't need to hear, but I can contribute some observations for somebody else doing it. Menneisyys seems like just the organized and detail-oriented guy to do it, frankly, from what I've been reading of his other explorations. It took me a couple tries to get the ROM replacement going; I used the bootloader.exe approach, which relies upon some components of the HP upgrade but does a swap and then sets up a TTY session with the internal bootloader and copies the ROM over. Took about 10-15 minutes and then a clean reset. I'm at a loss whether to stick with it now or revert or try the WM6, and what really freaks me out is that I can't notice what ELSE might be missing beside just the iPAQ Audio utility and its control over the hardware equalizer.
 
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:27 PM
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I'm a little confused.

Do I need to go out and buy WM5 for the 4705 first? If so, where do I do this? I haven't seen it anywhere.

Thanks
 
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:47 PM
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Why don't you test out the WM6 rom and tell us how it went?
I installed the WM6 rom and I love it, it's faster than WM5 and has better features. The latest rom is very impressive. I won't be going back to WM5.

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Old 11-10-2007, 09:48 PM
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What better features does it have? I thought I recalled reading that it was missing more of the original apps. There were definitely things kozhura left out of the WM5 ROM, like Pocket Informant (which for me is NBD, because I have a registered current copy).

I was liking WM5, but after applying OzVGA and patches to recover the icons and installing a better SIP for VGA (the Goamo), I then installed just a few more apps and managed to bork it bad enough that it required a clear reset (and lost everything I'd done with it up to that point).

I have the WM6 ROM already, which I downloaded at the same time. I guess now would be a good time to try it, but I'd like to be objective about comparing it rather than subjective... I need to start making that chart! Maybe I should start by listing the apps and functions in the WM5 ROM, how much free RAM and storage, and what else?
 
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