Any chance ATT or Tmobile will offer this phone? I would like to believe but mostly likely it will be ebay or Expensys(ive).com
A few months ago, O2 Asia-Pacific confirmed that this would start off as an Asia-Pacific release only. That may change in the future with an appearance in Europe, but it's a very small chance. Historically, North Americans have had to rely on importing, and as it stands, it'll be no different with the Flame.
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Any chance ATT or Tmobile will offer this phone? I would like to believe but mostly likely it will be ebay or Expensys(ive).com
att/cingular perhaps but it will take it's sweet time to show up, especially since this is an O2 branded device for now which is in essence a competitor (although in another market) to att/Cingular.
Actually no, there's zero chance this will ever show up on AT&T, since it doesn't support the 850 MHz band that's crucial to AT&T's GSM coverage.
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850Mhz is just a very small and limited part of NA coverage, and yes I seem to overlook it at times that it even exsists
I've never been in any 850mhz covearage area personally...
Er, I'm not sure where you've been, then, because almost every city in the US has 850 GSM coverage. It also represents the large majority of total coverage area. The only place you won't find it is in markets where T-Mobile is the only GSM provider.
It's too big. If I'm going to carry something this big I want a UMPC. The place for PPC is being a very thin ( .5 inch or less), short, skinny wrapper around a decent (3-3.5 inch) screen.
If I can't fit it in my jeans pocket then I'll use all the power of a small form factor PC carried in my bag.
This device is a lot smaller than the smallest current UMPC (OQO?) in fact it's lighter than the perhaps best PPC on the market Dell x51v.
This O2 Flame is a tad thick yes but still its only 17.5 mm which is about 0.68 inches. As for it's screen it is bigger than your "decent" range of 3-3.5" at 3.6"
What I personally lack is a decent keyboard as found on the Sharp EM ONE (yes yes it is my favorite for now )
What kind of jeans do you have the OQO will fit in your jeans pocket, been there done that. The huge disadvantages of the UMPC's right now is the not instant on and battery time, and if you put them into sleep mode they will still empty the battery in a day or two
Any chance ATT or Tmobile will offer this phone? I would like to believe but mostly likely it will be ebay or Expensys(ive).com
att/cingular perhaps but it will take it's sweet time to show up, especially since this is an O2 branded device for now which is in essence a competitor (although in another market) to att/Cingular.
Actually no, there's zero chance this will ever show up on AT&T, since it doesn't support the 850 MHz band that's crucial to AT&T's GSM coverage.
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Originally Posted by ecsk2
850Mhz is just a very small and limited part of NA coverage, and yes I seem to overlook it at times that it even exsists
I've never been in any 850mhz covearage area personally...
Er, I'm not sure where you've been, then, because almost every city in the US has 850 GSM coverage. It also represents the large majority of total coverage area. The only place you won't find it is in markets where T-Mobile is the only GSM provider.
What I was refering to is that "this phone" could show up in as a "sister model" with the appropriate support for the NA frequencies.
Does att/Cingular also use 850mhz? I was only aware of the Tmo 850mhz bands. I am still learning on the somewhat odd NA GSM solutions, been using GSM as such since 1990 but obviously this was not 1900 nor 850mhz. Currently I've been using the 1900mhz for some years.
Er, I'm not sure where you've been, then, because almost every city in the US has 850 GSM coverage. It also represents the large majority of total coverage area. The only place you won't find it is in markets where T-Mobile is the only GSM provider.
I am no expert on the 850mhz band at all but based on what are you indicating that it would represent "the large majority of total coverage area"?
Not sure how accurate this is for Cingular and 850mhz but I guess it gives some kind of idea of the 850 coverage? (Guess you can now tell what places I haven't been in during the GSM era ) Indeed there is no 850mhz GSM frequencies anywhere close to where I am at
Yes, extensively. They own 850 MHz licenses over most of their coverage area: you can check out which companies own what licenses at wirelessadvisor.com. There are, as a rule, two 850 band licenses per "market." In the eastern US, Cingular usually owns one, and Verizon the other. Most of that 850 MHz roaming area that you can see on T-Mobile is actually Cingular coverage.
T-Mobile has no native 850 MHz coverage in their network, since they own no licenses for it. They do roam onto other carriers like Cingular, DCS Cellular One, Suncom, and others that use 850 MHz, but the T-Mobile network itself is pure 1900. This is why you can use a tri-band phone on T-Mobile if you don't mind sacrificing most of the roaming coverage.
Anyway, according to CNET Asia's spec sheet, the Flame does not have EDGE.
I am no expert on the 850mhz band at all but based on what are you indicating that it would represent "the large majority of total coverage area"?
Keep in mind that the map understates 850MHz, if anything. 850MHz is overlaid with 1900MHz in a lot of places. If you use a 1900MHz-only device with Cingular, it might work, but you'll have more dead spots and network busies as you can't use the full capacity of the network.
At this point, it's not worth buying a 1900MHz-only device; even if it works now, it's not a good future investment.
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