[shindullin]

If the new chip makes things even 10 to 20% faster, it would be worth it. But more intriguing is the news that Samsung and TI are thinking about releasing ARM5 chips for PPC. If they manage singificantly better performance, who cares what X-scale can do.

[shindullin]

If the new chip makes things even 10 to 20% faster, it would be worth it. But more intriguing is the news that Samsung and TI are thinking about releasing ARM5 chips for PPC. If they manage singificantly better performance, who cares what X-scale can do.

[smittyofdhs]

Originally Posted by shindullin

If the new chip makes things even 10 to 20% faster, it would be worth it. But more intriguing is the news that Samsung and TI are thinking about releasing ARM5 chips for PPC. If they manage singificantly better performance, who cares what X-scale can do.

remember before the current xscales came out..... everyone was all for them because they would offer faster speeds.... yeah, and where are we today? SLOWER

Also think about this...what about those poor people who just bought an xscale device thinking it would be faster, and now Intel puts out another chip that actually ends up faster. End result = tons of pissed of users....

[shindullin]

I guess my point was that competition was coming and with it the fairly reliable promise of better products (aka faster chips). I doubt intel would have much incentive to fix the current xscales if they didn't have the prospect of competitors coming out with better arm based chips in the near future. Why bother if no-one is breathing down your back? Just focus on the next generation chip that you intend to release in two or three years. On the competitor side, why bother making a new chip if you can't get OEM's to adopt it? and why adopt a new chip design with it's associated new design and manufacturing costs if it isn't faster and thus more likely to sell than you competitors. It all comes down to faster (in the REAL world, not just on software benchmarks) chips for us, and that's a good thing.

[Fishie]

Wel there IS pne things the XScale´s trounce Strongarm at, batterylife.
The XScale needs far less power to get its juices flowing and that in itself is a good thing.

[smittyofdhs]

Originally Posted by Fishie

Wel there IS pne things the XScale´s trounce Strongarm at, batterylife.
The XScale needs far less power to get its juices flowing and that in itself is a good thing.

yes this is totally true and a fact that most forget about.... thx for the reminder

[geez]

shindullin is absolutely right. With all the heat that Intel got for the lame performance of the first XScale, why the heck would they be dumb enough to release another one with equally bad performance when Intel's competitors are planning to crank out better chips?

I can definitely understand why a lot of us out there are being pessimistic about this, but what's the worse that can happen? Even if the new chip is crappier than the old one, OEMs can just stick to the old XScale or StrongARM or move to new chips from Samsung. And if they do turn out to be better, then we'll get fast hi-performance chips with low battery consumption. No complaints here! :wink:

[Duddy]

Well, I got an Axim and am very happy with the device. I also know that Pocket PC 2003 will be optimized for the X-Scale. When the upgrade is released, I wil be able to show off the TRUE power of the Dell Axim

[rein]

Darn it, I just bought 2 new pocket pc's. At least they were Axims and cheap. My daughter is wanting one, guess I could pass my Axim on to her if another moderate priced one comes along.

So, even if they do come out with this newer, supposed to be faster X-scale, how long before we see it in product? Are we talking 3 months from now or a year? If it's close to a year away, even if it is faster, I wouldn't feel cheated in the least since I expect much faster and cheaper (or as cheap) Pocket PC's to be out by then. However, if it is only a month or two away and current Pocket PC's are revised and use the new chip I will be a little unhappy.

[vagelis]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

• 400 Run Mode / 200 PxBus

Unless I'm mistaken, this denotes that we're going from a 100 (or a 103 in case of a StrongARM) to a 200MHz Bus. That is a two-fold increase in system bus speed.

Most XScale speed issues have been linked to this.
Is is then conceivable that the overall speed boost could be a 50 to 100% increase in operations that are memory/system bus intensive.
This would also require re-engineering the rest of the components (RAM and supporting silicon).
Most manufacturers will have to issue new devices to handle this.

The news however, are promising.
This could justify a round of upgrades for the hard core techies.
Too bad HP just released their 54xx series.
I guess we'd have to wait for their 55xx series now

And all for just under $900 8O

[jornadaholic]

Originally Posted by danmanmayer

Everyone talks about Xscale problems but from what i have read the slower bus speed is what really makes the Xscale perform equal or as slow as a 206 strong arm. So lets see the enxt pocket pcs with Xscale and a higher bus speed... Does everyone relize it has been since late 1999 or 2000 that we have had the max speed of the 206 mhz strong arm. Pocekt PC speed hasn't improved since that first 206 mhz IPAQ... that is a very very slow growth in a market... Doees this effect why people aren't buying as many pocket pcs as growth would predict?

i think your right for the most part but i also think the reason why people arent buying pocket pcs is because of the fact that they cant be upgraded with the newest processor like ur desktop can you have to go out and buy a whole new device which until recently could cost from 500 to 700 $ or more for a device that by next year will be a paper weight