[gabrandt]

after the negative posts: HP late to market, not the right size, features, yada, yada, yada. and after the treo annoucement.

this is myscore for WM5 QWERTY devices on the horizon:

Moto Q:
+ good size/design
+ cool
+ GSM expected Q4 05
- WM5 smartphone
- no wifi
- miniSD only
- who knows when

TreoW:
+ good size/design
+ WM5 phone edition
- no wifi
- SD only
- no GSM ver available till H2 06!!

HP 6700:
+ WM5 phone edition
+ wifi G!
+ GPS
+ miniSD only (but with everything else, who cares)
~ decent size/design
~ GSM expected Q1 06

given everything is in there and beating Palm by 1 quarter, what more can HP do? even though Moto makes the holiday season, so what: no wifi and smartphone big minuses for me!

oh yeah, and before you say JasJar, I had one - had it out of the box for less than 2 hours before I repackaged to sell on eBay. sure, it also has great features, but I want a phone next to my ear not a phone book. this brick is unusable without a headset in your ear at all times or in a quiet room where you can use the speaker phone.

to be fair, I was seriously considering the TreoW even though a smartphone and without built-in wifi for size and time to market. but even if the HP slips to the same day, how can you compare?

[gabrandt]

after the negative posts: HP late to market, not the right size, features, yada, yada, yada. and after the treo annoucement.

this is myscore for WM5 QWERTY devices on the horizon:

Moto Q:
+ good size/design
+ cool
+ GSM expected Q4 05
- WM5 smartphone
- no wifi
- miniSD only
- who knows when

TreoW:
+ good size/design
+ WM5 phone edition
- no wifi
- SD only
- no GSM ver available till H2 06!!

HP 6700:
+ WM5 phone edition
+ wifi G!
+ GPS
+ miniSD only (but with everything else, who cares)
~ decent size/design
~ GSM expected Q1 06

given everything is in there and beating Palm by 1 quarter, what more can HP do? even though Moto makes the holiday season, so what: no wifi and smartphone big minuses for me!

oh yeah, and before you say JasJar, I had one - had it out of the box for less than 2 hours before I repackaged to sell on eBay. sure, it also has great features, but I want a phone next to my ear not a phone book. this brick is unusable without a headset in your ear at all times or in a quiet room where you can use the speaker phone.

to be fair, I was seriously considering the TreoW even though a smartphone and without built-in wifi for size and time to market. but even if the HP slips to the same day, how can you compare?

[tjhighpoint2]

Does anyone know if the new HP models with WM2005 have switched to using the Microsoft bluetooth stack (like Dell has), or if they've stuck it out with the Widcomm/Broadcom stack?