I currently have XDA Flame for pda purposes and AT&T tilt for phone. I have owned >12 devices. each person's requirements are different. I find it easier to navigate internet or show photos or even demonstrate videos on a 3.8" screen than on Tilt. Tilt is an excellent device but for people like me, prefer to carry at least 3.5" and above (but thin) pda phone than a 2.8" screen device with same capabilities.
I know many users may still prefer small 2.8" screen. Each one's taste and requirements are different. My complaint is that we do not have much of an option at all. They can still make 2.8" and a 3.5" devices rather clinging to 2.8" alone.
I am sure many will agree with me and many disagree. that is why we need different size devices.
Just my opinion.
I currently have XDA Flame for pda purposes and AT&T tilt for phone. I have owned >12 devices. each person's requirements are different. I find it easier to navigate internet or show photos or even demonstrate videos on a 3.8" screen than on Tilt. Tilt is an excellent device but for people like me, prefer to carry at least 3.5" and above (but thin) pda phone than a 2.8" screen device with same capabilities.
I know many users may still prefer small 2.8" screen. Each one's taste and requirements are different. My complaint is that we do not have much of an option at all. They can still make 2.8" and a 3.5" devices rather clinging to 2.8" alone.
I am sure many will agree with me and many disagree. that is why we need different size devices.
Just my opinion.
WELL PUT, I COMPLETELY AGREE!!
a aquaintence of mine recetly purchased an iPhone (primarily for the large display) and shortly afterwards exchanged it in for the Tilt (because the business functionlity and hardware keyboard) It sounds to me like her perfect device would have a display and demensions like the iPhone, but with the same functionality and versatility (hardware keyboard, business apps) as the tilt.
What you said was absolutely correct about us having no choice! If I wanted a device with >2.5" dispaly what choices do I have?
I can get an unlocked HTC advantage, but that has a 5" display and only operates with speakerphone
Or I can import a device that's not fully compatible with our carriers in the US.
Basically we have no choice! I had my hope up with the HTC Omni, but that was a teaser. And the i-Mate 7150 ended up being vapor ware.
So I'll port my phones and hope I can hack it to decency
Ah, large screen lovers. Where were you guys when I was beating the bush about how small these converged device screens were getting? Screen size was a major reason I was so long getting into the converged device world. I still think a really small phone for a modem combined with a large screen Pocket PC is a good thing. But darn it they've stopped making Pocket PCs. ARGHH!
Ah, large screen lovers. Where were you guys when I was beating the bush about how small these converged device screens were getting? Screen size was a major reason I was so long getting into the converged device world. I still think a really small phone for a modem combined with a large screen Pocket PC is a good thing. But darn it they've stopped making Pocket PCs. ARGHH!
For me --- Apple has proven you can deliver a 3.5" screen in a reasonably sized package. Compare the size of the iPhone to something like the 3.5" iPaq 63XX or HTC PDA2K. There is a signficant difference. I tried both those devices and they were too big for me to use as my primary cell phone. Since we now know we can get the best of both worlds--screen size in a reasonably sized package, why can't we get a Windows Mobile device like this?
Ah, large screen lovers. Where were you guys when I was beating the bush about how small these converged device screens were getting? Screen size was a major reason I was so long getting into the converged device world. I still think a really small phone for a modem combined with a large screen Pocket PC is a good thing. But darn it they've stopped making Pocket PCs. ARGHH!
I almost agree with you,although small screen smartphone, like that Diamond that's coming out, or Tilt in combination with UMPC is more productive. Now that more powerful Intel Atom processor is available. As it improves performance of UMPC combined with small, 4.8 - 7" (depends on your needs) screen and full blown OS (XP or Vista) gives you flexibility and power on the go.
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what you are saying does sound nice but recent statistics along with the millions of iPhone adopters (not including myself) would have to disagree with you.
I don't think so because I'm not disagreeing that larger screens are nice or that many people prefer them. Here's the difference though. The iPhone, even with its large screen, is still a compact device, the PPC-6600 was not. HTC has not yet shown the ability to make a compact device with a 3.5" screen, and thus why they are probably still using 2.8" screens, to keep the overall size of the device down. If HTC can use a 3.5" VGA screen and still manage to keep the device compact (unlike the 6600), then I think that would go a long way to really haveing a great device. And like I said in my previous post, HTC isn't stupid. I suspect if using a 3.5" VGA screen in their devices was reasonably doable from a design, engineering, and financial standpoint, they would pursue it (and who knows, maybe they are and they're just not far enough along in the development process to release such a device).
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I do believe that many people find smaller form factors appealing, but there is obviously a market for individuals who prefer larger displays.
No doubt.
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I like this part:
Yes, you can fit more information on a smaller screen with better resolution, but you’ll have to, in-turn, make the contents smaller to fit more onto the display. So if you keep that same illogical way of thinking our devices will have needles as styluses (and it’s getting close).
Now that's just getting a bit ridiculous. Its a pretty reasonable assumption that while our portable electronics tend to get smaller, its unlikely that device manufacturers are going to keep increasing the resolution of the screens such that they become unusable and need a needle as a stylus. I realize you were being sarcastic (at least I hope so) but I get the point you were trying to make about small screens and high resolutions. Still, I'm pretty confident HTC knows the limit of what is reasonably usable and what isn't so I doubt it will ever get to the point where we have high resolution screens that we can't use.
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Simply put: bigger screen = easier to use.
Maybe but that doesn't mean that a smaller screen with the same resolution still isn't highly usable. In fact, if the smaller screen has additional benefits (such as keeping the size of the device down or lower power consumption), then it make more sense to go with the smaller screen. Look, I get you like the larger screen but try to realize that there are a lot of other factors HTC has to consider before they can implement a screen like that.
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I’m not sure where you get the idea that I have never owned a smaller screen device (HTC Touch, Sprint Mogul, PPC 6700, HTC Wizard, to name a few)
I didn't say you never owned a "smaller screen device," I said I didn't know how you could pass judgement on a 2.8" VGA screen without having used it. If you have used a device with such a screen, please let me know which one(s). I'd definitely like to try and check one out in person to see just how usable the screen is.
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I don't think so because I'm not disagreeing that larger screens are nice or that many people prefer them. Here's the difference though. The iPhone, even with its large screen, is still a compact device, the PPC-6600 was not. HTC has not yet shown the ability to make a compact device with a 3.5" screen, and thus why they are probably still using 2.8" screens, to keep the overall size of the device down. If HTC can use a 3.5" VGA screen and still manage to keep the device compact (unlike the 6600), then I think that would go a long way to really haveing a great device. And like I said in my previous post, HTC isn't stupid. I suspect if using a 3.5" VGA screen in their devices was reasonably doable from a design, engineering, and financial standpoint, they would pursue it (and who knows, maybe they are and they're just not far enough along in the development process to release such a device).
No doubt.
Now that's just getting a bit ridiculous. Its a pretty reasonable assumption that while our portable electronics tend to get smaller, its unlikely that device manufacturers are going to keep increasing the resolution of the screens such that they become unusable and need a needle as a stylus. I realize you were being sarcastic (at least I hope so) but I get the point you were trying to make about small screens and high resolutions. Still, I'm pretty confident HTC knows the limit of what is reasonably usable and what isn't so I doubt it will ever get to the point where we have high resolution screens that we can't use.
Maybe but that doesn't mean that a smaller screen with the same resolution still isn't highly usable. In fact, if the smaller screen has additional benefits (such as keeping the size of the device down or lower power consumption), then it make more sense to go with the smaller screen. Look, I get you like the larger screen but try to realize that there are a lot of other factors HTC has to consider before they can implement a screen like that.
I didn't say you never owned a "smaller screen device," I said I didn't know how you could pass judgement on a 2.8" VGA screen without having used it. If you have used a device with such a screen, please let me know which one(s). I'd definitely like to try and check one out in person to see just how usable the screen is.
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HTC isn't stupid. I suspect if using a 3.5" VGA screen in their devices was reasonably doable from a design, engineering, and financial standpoint, they would pursue it (and who knows, maybe they are and they're just not far enough along in the development process to release such a device).
Well, Apple has proven this is something that can be done from an engineering standpoint, so I think we can safely say this is simply a business decision. One that I think is fair for users to question, or to even ask for better from them.
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I didn't say you never owned a "smaller screen device," I said I didn't know how you could pass judgement on a 2.8" VGA screen without having used it. If you have used a device with such a screen, please let me know which one(s). I'd definitely like to try and check one out in person to see just how usable the screen is.
I haven't used a 2.8" VGA device either, though Eten has some devices floating around with this screen today. However, my opinion based upon base WM VGA usage is that any added functionality provided by VGA on this small of a screen is outweighed by the additional battery drain and slower responsiveness we will see as a result of the CPU having to push around 4 times the pixels.
As it relates to this thread -- These devices would seem to be the best new offerings in the Windows Mobile world, but they seem to be flawed. Considering the size of the battery and the added overhead of the VGA screen (with questionable benefit) we really have to question how long these devices will run on a single charge. Combine this concern with the fact that I would really like to see something "more" -- bigger screen, more memory in my opinion, and I'm not super excited about these announcements.
Well, Apple has proven this is something that can be done from an engineering standpoint, so I think we can safely say this is simply a business decision. One that I think is fair for users to question, or to even ask for better from them.
I don't agree. Just because Apple has done it doesn't mean HTC now has the know how to accomplish the same thing. HTC could very well be developing a compact device with a 3.5" screen but its just not far along enough in the development process. Apple raised the bar with including a large screen on a compact device so once HTC saw it was possible, that's when HTC probably started their development process to also engineer such a device. Apple worked for several years on the iPhone, its going to take HTC some time to catch up in terms of the engineering the iPhone brought to the table (large screen on a compact device). Until then, we get 2.8" screens. I don't think it was "simply a business decision" on HTC's part to use a 2.8" VGA screen, I think they're just not ready from an engineering standpoint to produce a compact device with a 3.5" VGA screen. From the iPhone, they see what a hit large screens are so I think its obvious they would try and copy that IF they had the proper engineering in place (which I don't think they do ATM).
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I haven't used a 2.8" VGA device either, though Eten has some devices floating around with this screen today. However, my opinion based upon base WM VGA usage is that any added functionality provided by VGA on this small of a screen is outweighed by the additional battery drain and slower responsiveness we will see as a result of the CPU having to push around 4 times the pixels.
As it relates to this thread -- These devices would seem to be the best new offerings in the Windows Mobile world, but they seem to be flawed. Considering the size of the battery and the added overhead of the VGA screen (with questionable benefit) we really have to question how long these devices will run on a single charge. Combine this concern with the fact that I would really like to see something "more" -- bigger screen, more memory in my opinion, and I'm not super excited about these announcements.
Like I said previously, HTC isn't stupid. Do you really think HTC is going to release a slow-responding, power-hungry device with a tiny battery that's only good for a few hours? Come on now, they're not idiots. I think you're jumping to too many conclusions here without having actually used the final version of the device (as no one here has). Until we actually get our hands on the final product, to dismiss the device based on rumored specs and how you think those specs will play out in terms of performance and battery life I think is a bit premature.
I don't agree. Just because Apple has done it doesn't mean HTC now has the know how to accomplish the same thing.
Oh please, HTC is the largest manufacturer of these types of devices in the world, they are or have been the OEM/ODM for companies such as HP, Dell, etc. I don't think you give them enough credit here, yet, your following statement confirms you don't think they are stupid.. so which is it, they aren't smart enough to this, or they aren't stupid?
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Like I said previously, HTC isn't stupid. Do you really think HTC is going to release a slow-responding, power-hungry device with a tiny battery that's only good for a few hours? Come on now, they're not idiots.
Being stupid has nothing to do with it. The world is littered with "smart" companies that made bad decisions in the name of short term profits. Just because they aren't stupid doesn't mean they can't be wrong here. Ultimately the market will decide. In the mean time, since they are far and away the largest manufacturer of Windows Mobile devices, and they refuse to lead in this area, they are also holding back the platform and it's growth. Such is the risk Microsoft takes by providing a platform rather than a complete device.
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