Also, we are graced with a whole whopping 4 GB of RAM in the Diamond. Last I checked, the iPhone has 16 GB built in. Even if I add the largest MicroSD available, I still only get 12 GB of storage with one of these devices.
Actually MicroSD cards come in 12 and 16 GB sized now (and at good prices). So you can give your Pocket PC 16 or 20 GB, and have the ability to boost to as high as 36 GB without needing to replace your device when 32 GB MicroSD cards become available.
Actually MicroSD cards come in 12 and 16 GB sized now (and at good prices). So you can give your Pocket PC 16 or 20 GB, and have the ability to boost to as high as 36 GB without needing to replace your device when 32 GB MicroSD cards become available.
Please, tell me where I can buy one of these! I've been looking and can't find one that is avialable and in-stock anywhere. I would love for your statement to be true, but my experience is that these aren't in-stock at any retailer I've come across. They aren't listed on Sandisk's site, either. I've heard announcements and found places to order, but always they are back-ordered or coming soon.
but to demand from respectable WM maker to make an iPhone clone running WM is kind of silly.
First off, I'm not asking for a clone - I'm asking for some of the better hardware capabilities to be included. The fact that Apple has done it means that we aren't dealing with engineering constraints, rather with business decisions. Putting that aside, what is silly about it? Apple has created the most popular smart phone ever released. (We can argue how smart it really is, but that's for a different discussion). Why wouldn't the competition take the strongest features of said device and attempt to build upon it?
Your line of thinking is too typical among Windows Mobile fans, and one of the reasons why companies such as HTC continue to milk us for lousy incremental upgrades such as this. Please give me a legitimate argument why HTC can't include 16 GB of flash RAM in their high end devices, or why they can't seem to make a phone with a screen larger than 2.8". The only answer I can think of is that they choose not to, because they need to stretch this product cycle longer.
The Windows Mobile OS has not evolved quickly, the least we could hope for is the hardware to progress beyond 2003 standards.
First off, I'm not asking for a clone - I'm asking for some of the better hardware capabilities to be included. The fact that Apple has done it means that we aren't dealing with engineering constraints, rather with business decisions. Putting that aside, what is silly about it? Apple has created the most popular smart phone ever released. (We can argue how smart it really is, but that's for a different discussion). Why wouldn't the competition take the strongest features of said device and attempt to build upon it?
Your line of thinking is too typical among Windows Mobile fans, and one of the reasons why companies such as HTC continue to milk us for lousy incremental upgrades such as this. Please give me a legitimate argument why HTC can't include 16 GB of flash RAM in their high end devices, or why they can't seem to make a phone with a screen larger than 2.8". The only answer I can think of is that they choose not to, because they need to stretch this product cycle longer.
The Windows Mobile OS has not evolved quickly, the least we could hope for is the hardware to progress beyond 2003 standards.
Please, tell me where I can buy one of these! I've been looking and can't find one that is avialable and in-stock anywhere. I would love for your statement to be true, but my experience is that these aren't in-stock at any retailer I've come across. They aren't listed on Sandisk's site, either. I've heard announcements and found places to order, but always they are back-ordered or coming soon.
You've got a point there. I hadn't noticed (on the grounds that I haven't needed one yet) but yes, all my links show pre-orders or 'coming soon'.
First off, I'm not asking for a clone - I'm asking for some of the better hardware capabilities to be included. The fact that Apple has done it means that we aren't dealing with engineering constraints, rather with business decisions. Putting that aside, what is silly about it? Apple has created the most popular smart phone ever released. (We can argue how smart it really is, but that's for a different discussion). Why wouldn't the competition take the strongest features of said device and attempt to build upon it?
And reading your post there are no weak points in the iPhone, at least that's how it looks.
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Your line of thinking is too typical among Windows Mobile fans, and one of the reasons why companies such as HTC continue to milk us for lousy incremental upgrades such as this. Please give me a legitimate argument why HTC can't include 16 GB of flash RAM in their high end devices, or why they can't seem to make a phone with a screen larger than 2.8". The only answer I can think of is that they choose not to, because they need to stretch this product cycle longer.
There are some legit demands and some "just because someone else has it" I use my WM device for primarily business purpose, and what WM are good at. More RAM and faster processor, I agree, but higher capacity internal storage? Some of it can be used to install programs, but to save files, thank you memory card is more secure and useful as you can move it from one device to another. BTW you can't even share files with iPhone using BT, and it will have speacial "repository" for 3rd party apps, that means less room for your music and movies. On top of that higher flash memory would mean higher prices, HTC devices are not as cheap right as it is. In fact on average they are double iPhone price. And as far as gradual upgrades..... I have not upgrade my Mio A701 for almost 3 years already, and, unless T-Mo USA opens 3G network, and good device that will work on this network is available, I'll wait for WM7. Nobody forces you to buy a new device, unless it's satisfies you completely.
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And reading your post there are no weak points in the iPhone, at least that's how it looks.
Oh please, my post was not meant as a review of the iPhone, or even to compare the two devices-- simply a statement that from a hardware perspective the iPhone provides a higher resolution screen and more memory, while nine months later we still don't find a WM device that provides this. Obviously some consumers find these important or we wouldn't see the popularity of the iPhone, particularly at larger capacity specifications.
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I have not upgrade my Mio A701 for almost 3 years already, and, unless T-Mo USA opens 3G network, and good device that will work on this network is available, I'll wait for WM7. Nobody forces you to buy a new device, unless it's satisfies you completely.
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I think you have proven my point. In three years time you haven't seen a compelling reason to upgrade your windows mobile device. My opinion is that's because we have only seen minor, incremental upgrades, while the competition has released devices that surpass WM in many ways.
One final point, what we each feel is important in devices such as this are certainly going to differ. That doesn't mean either of us is right or wrong, just that we have different issues we want solved, or prefer to solve those in different ways. However, I feel as though MS and it's partners have become complacent and I want them to feel some urgency to move this platform into the 21st century.
I want Windows Mobile to succeed, but these tiny incremental upgrades seem to me very similar to what Palm did back in the early part of this decade, and we all saw how far that got them. We heard "people don't want a color screen", "Nobody uses bluetooth", "Why do you need more than 4 MB of memory", and even recently, "WiFi drains the battery too fast". To me, your points sound familiar to these, and if MS doesn't start feeling the heat soon, in 5 years we'll be talking about the good old days when Windows mobile allowed us to do all this "stuff" on the go, but it no longer exists.
Frankly, I don't have any personal feelings towards OS, be it WM, Mac, Palm, Android, or something new. And that's what I am coming from.
WM have not advanced much in a years, true, as far as UI concern. It did great progress as far as functionality, and that's why iPhone licenses it's parts and bits to be more appealing to business users, and not only to them. And that's why it looks like it makes mile long steps to new and great things that"no one has yet", although it just playing catch up. For now it's just a "pretty face".
Palm? on it's last breath, IMHO.
Android? Still we have to see what it has to offer.
Symbian, too proprietary.
So, I don't see any other OS, but WM that is powerful enough to satisfy my mobile computing needs. Of,course, if tomorrow, I see Apple or Android to come up with something that has all the tricks and whistles that WM has and be more stable, user friendly, and cheaper than WM. I will switch without hesitation. After all smartphone is just a tool, not a item to be worshiped
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I disagree with the part about the physically larger screen part of your post,
What is the point of having higher resolution on a smaller screen, it makes no sense, they might as well have stuck with the QVGA resolution if it's going to be on a 2.8" screen.
The point of a 2.8" VGA screen is to be able to fit more information within the same space as a 2.8" QVGA screen, thus you don't have to use a larger screen and don't have to increase the size of the device. I don't see how you can pass judegment on a 2.8" VGA screen without having actually used it. HTC isn't stupid. I suspect the screen will be just fine and very usable.
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Most people are partial to larger screens, just ask them. And HTC is no stranger to that, my first device was a PPC 6600, every major US carrier at the time, and it had a 3.5 inch screen and the battery life was the best I've experienced.
So for HTC to manufacture a device which such specs would not be an iPhone clone, it would be more like them going back to the basics which proved to be successful.
I understand that you liked the larger screen but also keep in mind that having a screen that size contributed to making the phone somehwat larger and that there are a lot of people that find a phone that size unacceptable. Personally, I never considered the PPC-6600 because I just felt the device was too big. I think people in general want their portable electronics as compact as possible (while still being usable obviously) so I believe the move to 2.8" screens with the same resolution is one factor that allowed for smaller WM phones from HTC. And I think having more compact WM phones is also one of the factors that have allowed these types of devices to gain in popularity from the days of the PPC-6600. So from that logic, it would appear the move to 2.8" screens was a good one for HTC. So based on that, there's really no reason for them to go back to the "basics". Now, if HTC could use a 3.5" VGA screen without increasing the overall size of the device then I think we would have the best of both worlds. But for now, I think device compactness is a more important consideration in the market than screen size and why we will continue to see 2.8" screens from HTC.
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The point of a 2.8" VGA screen is to be able to fit more information within the same space as a 2.8" QVGA screen, thus you don't have to use a larger screen and don't have to increase the size of the device. I don't see how you can pass judegment on a 2.8" VGA screen without having actually used it. HTC isn't stupid. I suspect the screen will be just fine and very usable.
I understand that you liked the larger screen but also keep in mind that having a screen that size contributed to making the phone somehwat larger and that there are a lot of people that find a phone that size unacceptable. Personally, I never considered the PPC-6600 because I just felt the device was too big. I think people in general want their portable electronics as compact as possible (while still being usable obviously... .
what you are saying does sound nice but recent statistics along with the millions of iPhone adopters (not including myself) would have to disagree with you.
I do believe that many people find smaller form factors appealing, but there is obviously a market for individuals who prefer larger displays.
I have used many 2.8 inch display devices VGA and QVGA but always revert back to my devices with larger displays.
I like this part:
Yes, you can fit more information on a smaller screen with better resolution, but you’ll have to, in-turn, make the contents smaller to fit more onto the display. So if you keep that same illogical way of thinking our devices will have needles as styluses (and it’s getting close).
Simply put: bigger screen = easier to use.
I do consider myself an advanced user having owned over about a dozen different WM mobile devices over the years so I’m not talking out of my rear when I post. For what it’s worth: I’ve recently settle on 3: XDA Flame, HTC Universal, and XDA IIS, (all hacked of course). I’m not sure where you get the idea that I have never owned a smaller screen device (HTC Touch, Sprint Mogul, PPC 6700, HTC Wizard, to name a few)
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