[alese]

Originally Posted by virain

Actualy, HTC released official 6.5 ROM upgrade for TP2, WWE, EU, European carriers as well. T-Mo USA users are screwed...again! Here"s the link: http://www.htc.com/uk/supportdownloa...0&act=sd&cat=2

Thanks for the link, but this is "only" UK download, it doesn't work for my European TP2 . Yes it's funny but if you go to htc.com/Europe there is no WM6.5 upgrade yet...

[alese]

Originally Posted by virain

Actualy, HTC released official 6.5 ROM upgrade for TP2, WWE, EU, European carriers as well. T-Mo USA users are screwed...again! Here"s the link: http://www.htc.com/uk/supportdownloa...0&act=sd&cat=2

Thanks for the link, but this is "only" UK download, it doesn't work for my European TP2 . Yes it's funny but if you go to htc.com/Europe there is no WM6.5 upgrade yet...

[Gerard]

Okay, perhaps I should consider running a newer build then. dsixda 'retired' because the Elfin builds coming out of MS stopped being major releases and started being customizations aimed at particular OEMs. I don't know much about that, but took his word for it. The build of my ROM is from 21815.5.0.50. I'll have to spend a bit of time hunting around newer threads there and see if something relevant for my device comes up. Thanks for explaining. That special tap and drag would certainly make menu setup a lot less painful for new users.

[Pete Paxton]

Save whales? Peace on earth? No. Not sure where that came from. But other devices from other OS's have dazzled us or at least me and I expect the big MS to do the same. Come on, they used to be the front runners and it seems the past few years they've been playing catch up. I'd like to see MS out in front again. I've seen the videos of the courier tablet and that's dazzling. It's been a while since I've thought "wow that's cool" from a MS phone device.

Also, what you call productive and what I call productive may be two different things. I mean that sincerely. If the current WM devices suit your profession and life, then that's great. But as a school teacher, the iphone is perfect for me. The whole talk about people have an iphone to flash around is old now. I don't flash it to anyone but I do use it to be productive. I have a great calendar, to-do task manager, evernote, splash id, word, excel yada yada yada. But I do understand people might find features in WM that suit their needs better. Great.

[JKingGrim]

virain, I dont really like the new start menu either. I agree that it is foolish that it is not alphabetically sorted and that folders are not sorted to the top. They could have done a much better job revamping the start menu.

You have named only one thing though that is wrong with 6.5 though. What else did it take away that was unique and useful? IMO they have not changed it enough. The core apps are still ancient. When I connect to a wireless network I feel like I am using windows xp sp0.

[Russ Smith]

I'm not in the habit of buying a new handset every year so waiting a while for WM 7 doesn't seem such a hardship to me. I can't say I'm not intrigued with some of the new OS offerings, but, every time I take a look at one, the things I'd be giving up really outweigh the things I might potentially gain. iPhone is pretty and tightly integrated by design, but fascistly limiting in so many ways. Android looks promising in some respects but Google seems ADHD-riddled and I worry that they might just abandon Android and switch to Chrome.

[eriqcook]

I'm trying to "hold on". Just ordered a T-Mobile TP2 today and installing the 6.5 update released by HTC (hopefully it works. I could care less about the TMO branded changes). If the TP2 proves to be a lot better than the Wing, then I may be able to wait. Still, that is such a long time to me. If the TP2 doesn't do it, then I'm holding out a couple more months for the new touch screen blackberry with physical keyboard coming in December (confirmed by a T-Mobile rep last week).

I like Windows Mobile because it has the best Exchange support IMO (something I use frequently), and I love the "tap and hold" pop-up menu functionality for everything. No other mobile OS has that.

The lack of devices with touch screen + physical keyboard + good Exchange support has been the only reason I've stayed with Windows Mobile since the new gen of iPhone, Blackerry's & Pre's were released. There's always been something major missing from each platform, and blackberry just may be the first platform to sway me.

I've stayed with Microsoft's mobile platform since the Phillips Nino running Windows CE (!), and very excited for Windows Mobile 7. Microsoft can't afford to mess this up. By October of next year, there will be new updates to existing mobile platforms, so Microsoft can't fall short in any area.

We'll see what happens. I'll try to "get by" with 6.5 for another year. I may fold though

[maxnix]

Originally Posted by virain

What exactly do you expect from WM? How should it "DAZZLE" you?

I think we can see 1GHz+ processors running on G4 networks with 800x600 (minimum) screens powered by truly intelligent voice command. Think mobile device and professional tool, not proprietary market music player with a cell radio strapped on.

Capacitive touch dispays and finger fookin' your phone will be so last decade, where it belongs now. More finger grease on your displays, anyone?

[Gerard]

On a lit display, fingerprints (and face prints) are rarely an issue in terms of viewability. A quick rub on a shirt sleeve clears up anything one might worry about, but really the only time I notice fingerprints on my screen is when the thing is turned off. Not exactly worrisome then... as it's, like, off. As in not being used. Even when I'm in the workshop and my hands are covered in ebony dust (oily, black, gets on everything) I don't see any problem on my touchscreen WM phone. So it's kind of chuckle-worthy whenever I see this sort of ranting about fingerprints being a problem, whether it's in PPC-specific forums (HUH? We've been poking PPC screens for almost a decade!) or on Slashdot or anywhere else.

A non-touchscreen, now that's a problem. Have to make sure 100% of your software is button-operable down to the last function, and as one who has tested a LOT of software I can assure you that this is a problem for developers. Then you have to remember which button does what in all programs, as this is not too obvious sometimes. With a finger or a stylus it's easy to poke an icon, not having to think about which hardware button might launch that same function. While I agree that for some having anything at all contaminating their phone screens is a horrible possibility, the obsessive-compulsive camp is rather a small part of the overall market. And ease of use is more than enough justification for the rest of us (those who want ease of use anyway) to have touchscreens.