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Old 07-31-2005, 01:21 AM
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...the last two Verizon PDA's - the VX6600 and I730, have sold 20,000-30,000 units. Sounds like a lot except when you figure that Verizon has about 45 millions cell phone users - a value of about 6 1/2 percent. Not a staggering number IMO.
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Pardon me but it rather looks like it is 0.65%,not 6.5%...
OK, no more math in my head for me. Next time, break out the calculator

Bu it actually proves my point even more. Less than 1% might as well be zero.
 
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Old 07-31-2005, 01:30 AM
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I think Mr Gates might be on to something...but he's not quite there yet. I'm a professional, and I travel to work and to local clients with a soft briefcase. My dream device is actually an ultra-thin blackberry with a keyboard, a widescreen, and sensible MS Word and MS Excel capability. Which is all most professionals need while on the road.

My XDA II is fine, but not perfect. My dream device is as follows:

1. thin (RAZR like, but I would settle for 0.9cm)
2. about 15cm x 10cm (about the size of those portable DVD players, but shaped in widescreen mode)
3. key board
4. UMTS and WIFI (but I'd settle for just UMTS)
5 no hard drive, running Mobile 5 or Mobile Ultra
5. either a compact flash slot or, pehaps, express PCI slot (for memory expansion/peripherals.

This device is slim (=sexy), connected (=blackberry style push email, probably via Exchange 2003) and useful. When I visit clients, when I'm on the road, when I'm on a plane, I'm connected to my email and my documents. I have adequate multimedia capability via Windows Mobile 5, but frankly that is a bonus.

OK, having read this again, perhpas I am talking about an XDA universal, but in a different form factor. I want it wider, so I can type with my fingers rather than my thumbs, and slimmer (so it takes up no more space than a normal sze paper notebook in my briefcase). Is this too much to ask?
 
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Old 07-31-2005, 01:39 AM
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I agree for the most part about keeping devices separate but I think we will see a convergence w/ a twist. Mobile phones are desired to be small. This does not lend itself towards other uses such as input and media viewing. A PDA is better for these things but not great for gaming because of the button layout and such. What will happen is that the mobile phone will become a sort of hub or server for storage and computing. Then we will carry dummy/terminal devces such as a PDA like thing or a gaming device which will wirelessly access everthing from the mobile phone. Consumer-grade cameras will however be integrated into phones when lens tech goes internal as some new cameras are already doing (Sony's newest). Eventually the hub will become an internet based service rather than a physical device on a person but network coverage will first have to reach near 100% while connection speeds surpass even 3G speeds. This is my vision of the future and I believe it to be much more practical than Billy-boy's.
 
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Old 07-31-2005, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cantab Rich
I think Mr Gates might be on to something...but he's not quite there yet. I'm a professional, and I travel to work and to local clients with a soft briefcase. My dream device is actually an ultra-thin blackberry with a keyboard, a widescreen, and sensible MS Word and MS Excel capability. Which is all most professionals need while on the road.

My XDA II is fine, but not perfect. My dream device is as follows:

1. thin (RAZR like, but I would settle for 0.9cm)
2. about 15cm x 10cm (about the size of those portable DVD players, but shaped in widescreen mode)
3. key board
4. UMTS and WIFI (but I'd settle for just UMTS)
5 no hard drive, running Mobile 5 or Mobile Ultra
5. either a compact flash slot or, pehaps, express PCI slot (for memory expansion/peripherals.

This device is slim (=sexy), connected (=blackberry style push email, probably via Exchange 2003) and useful. When I visit clients, when I'm on the road, when I'm on a plane, I'm connected to my email and my documents. I have adequate multimedia capability via Windows Mobile 5, but frankly that is a bonus.

OK, having read this again, perhpas I am talking about an XDA universal, but in a different form factor. I want it wider, so I can type with my fingers rather than my thumbs, and slimmer (so it takes up no more space than a normal sze paper notebook in my briefcase). Is this too much to ask?
What you may want to try is a sub-laptop with a 10" screen. They fit in a briefcase nicely, and are full function Windows PCs

http://www.technoworld.com/productdi...&source=kelkoo
 
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Old 07-31-2005, 01:46 AM
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Then we will carry dummy/terminal devces such as a PDA like thing or a gaming device which will wirelessly access everthing from the mobile phone.
Maybe you will. I hate carrying more than one device, I'm not going to carry a phone to connect to several different devices...it just ain't gonna happen. I'm not a geek. I don't look like a geek. I don't wear geek clothing, and I don't carry girlie bags to carry all my stuff. If it doesn't fit comfortably in my pocket, it stays home.
 
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Old 07-31-2005, 01:54 AM
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Hey how about this? Ultra Mobile is in fact WINDOWS VISTA or WINDOWS XP? But built to run on ARM CPUs? So you can have UPCs w/out the power hungry x86 CPUs that they keep trying to reinnovate, save battery power, space (no fan or heatsink), and save space for a thinner UPC? So all software companies have to do is to recompile Windows XP software for the ARM CPUs?? Because I know that it will always be a problem to make UPCs portable, right? This maybe the ultimate solution...
 
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:01 AM
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Engadget are right, one pound devices like this one are too big to fit in your pocket, and too small to replace a PC...
Really? I don't think so :

 
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:06 AM
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Hey how about this? Ultra Mobile is in fact WINDOWS VISTA or WINDOWS XP? But built to run on ARM CPUs? So you can have UPCs w/out the power hungry x86 CPUs that they keep trying to reinnovate, save battery power, space (no fan or heatsink), and save space for a thinner UPC? So all software companies have to do is to recompile Windows XP software for the ARM CPUs?? Because I know that it will always be a problem to make UPCs portable, right? This maybe the ultimate solution...
ARMs dont have the horsepower to run such complex operating systems
 
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:08 AM
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Engadget are right, one pound devices like this one are too big to fit in your pocket, and too small to replace a PC...
Really? I don't think so :
But do you actually have an OQO? The OQO is .9" or 1" thick. That is very thick to put in the pocket. It makes an unattractive bulge for most people. I had a Sharp Zaurus c860 before. That one has a large 1" thick cynlider for a hinge, and the rest of its body is .85". I was never able to stick that in my pocket...
 
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:09 AM
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Hey how about this? Ultra Mobile is in fact WINDOWS VISTA or WINDOWS XP? But built to run on ARM CPUs? So you can have UPCs w/out the power hungry x86 CPUs that they keep trying to reinnovate, save battery power, space (no fan or heatsink), and save space for a thinner UPC? So all software companies have to do is to recompile Windows XP software for the ARM CPUs?? Because I know that it will always be a problem to make UPCs portable, right? This maybe the ultimate solution...
ARMs dont have the horsepower to run such complex operating systems
lol, really? Are you sure?
 
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