[virain]

Shouldn't humans take responsibilities for their actions in to their own hands? Do you want your government to control and regulate every aspect of your life? Smoking, driving, mobile phones, what you eat, what you wear, what you read? And you call UK a free democratic country? Do you really think it is all done for your own good? What's next? Burn Mary Poppins? She uses her umbrella to fly, and some goofy kid dicides to jump off a roof with Umbrella. Are you people or sheeps? :devilboy: Start thinking for yourseves!

[virain]

Shouldn't humans take responsibilities for their actions in to their own hands? Do you want your government to control and regulate every aspect of your life? Smoking, driving, mobile phones, what you eat, what you wear, what you read? And you call UK a free democratic country? Do you really think it is all done for your own good? What's next? Burn Mary Poppins? She uses her umbrella to fly, and some goofy kid dicides to jump off a roof with Umbrella. Are you people or sheeps? :devilboy: Start thinking for yourseves!

[griph]

Originally Posted by virain

Shouldn't humans take responsibilities for their actions in to their own hands? .... Start thinking for yourseves!

The trouble is that when [some] humans are left to take personal responsibility for their actions, others still get hurt. We seem to live in an age where responsibility is someone elses problem - The "I missed my plane - what are YOU going to do about it?" brigade. Sometimes laws just have to be introduced to try to protect people from the moronic actions of others. I accept that we are increasingly living in a Nanny state, but some rules need to be there to protect the innocent.

[jeisner]

So what about changing the radio station on the car stereo??? Shouldn't that be 2 years too? or at least 1 year in jail?

How many years before we have more people in jail than out?

Fines and loss of licence (12 months) for multiple offences seems OK, but jail term, seems complete stupidity..

[virain]

Originally Posted by griph

The trouble is that when [some] humans are left to take personal responsibility for their actions, others still get hurt. We seem to live in an age where responsibility is someone elses problem - The "I missed my plane - what are YOU going to do about it?" brigade.

My answer is "I can sell you ticket for the next flight at a full price"

Originally Posted by griph

Sometimes laws just have to be introduced to try to protect people from the moronic actions of others. I accept that we are increasingly living in a Nanny state, but some rules need to be there to protect the innocent.

Then what does makes you better than a Red China? At least they are honest about their idiology.

[griph]

Originally Posted by virain

My answer is "I can sell you ticket for the next flight at a full price"

I think you are missing the point somewhat. What I meant was that an increasingly significant number of people just dont take responsibility for their own actions - something goes wrong and it's someone else's problem. If by persistently not taking action themselves, to minimise the risk of their actions harming others, then surely there needs to be some direction - at least in order to protect the innocent!

Then what does makes you better than a Red China? At least they are honest about their idiology.

Honest about their idiology? You are kidding!! You must be some sort of anarchist if you think there should be no rules, and if they are, we are like Red China - do you perceive grey tones, or is everything always black and white with you? :roll:

[Jonathon Watkins]

Originally Posted by virain

And you call UK a free democratic country?

Sure do. :wink:

Originally Posted by virain

Do you really think it is all done for your own good?

Umm, yes. That's what laws are for. I've seen too many idiots driving with one hand clamped to their ear on the the phone and driving erratically. Once I was a guy on the phone, smoking a cigarette while taking a tight corner one handedly. I was on the pavement and he nearly did';t make it. Fortunately he did and I am still here.

Originally Posted by virain

Do Are you people or sheeps? :devilboy: Start thinking for yourseves!

You've been reading too many Mac adverts. ;-) I for one am happy the law is there and that it is available to prosecute irresponsible idiots. I trust our system of law and order. If everyone decides what laws apply to them and which don't, then that's awfully close to anarchy. If everyone obeys the laws, everyone benefits. If a few break the law, they can gain a temporary advantage. If everyone breaks the law, everyone looses.

[virain]

Originally Posted by Jonathon Watkins

Sure do. :wink:

Umm, yes. That's what laws are for. I've seen too many idiots driving with one hand clamped to their ear on the the phone and driving erratically. Once I was a guy on the phone, smoking a cigarette while taking a tight corner one handedly. I was on the pavement and he nearly did';t make it. Fortunately he did and I am still here.

You've been reading too many Mac adverts. ;-) I for one am happy the law is there and that it is available to prosecute irresponsible idiots. I trust our system of law and order. If everyone decides what laws apply to them and which don't, then that's awfully close to anarchy. If everyone obeys the laws, everyone benefits. If a few break the law, they can gain a temporary advantage. If everyone breaks the law, everyone looses.

Well, in this case define your understanding of a freedom. By the way, then more you rely on someone else to tell you what to do and how to act, then less you use a common scence. Such as I didn't know that it is unsafe to stick two fingers into electric outlet, there were no disclosure. Here comes stuppid lawsuite for wich we, consumers pay. You surrender your freedom to think for yourself, you became more depended on your government, and ANY government is a control freak. and not always have your best interests in mind. I don't say we don't need laws, but laws should not control every aspect of our life. Why do you think in a bible God introduced only TEN basic laws? There are too many idiots on the road? That's because they rely on government to think for them and decide what is good and what is not. If chatting on the phone while driving cost few pounds then it is not too bad, right? Maybe military style state will be much better to live in? What do you think?