[Duncan]

Originally Posted by unxmully

I would have thought that by any measure, selling a million phones in three days is quite impressive.

From the article, the WM corporate phone sales they are making a big thing about seems to be somewhere north of 162,500 which is somewhat less than a million.

Apple want you to think so - but they achieved that by hyping the new iPhone up, building up available product, and then launching worldwide pretty much exclusively targeting the consumer customer. It's a bit of a trick, albeit a pretty clever trick.

The truth is that Nokia, HTC, Samsung and even the failing Motorola have all easily outsold the iPhone - they just did it on a rolling basis and with smaller runs of multiple models aimed at different segments of the market.

[Duncan]

Originally Posted by unxmully

I would have thought that by any measure, selling a million phones in three days is quite impressive.

From the article, the WM corporate phone sales they are making a big thing about seems to be somewhere north of 162,500 which is somewhat less than a million.

Apple want you to think so - but they achieved that by hyping the new iPhone up, building up available product, and then launching worldwide pretty much exclusively targeting the consumer customer. It's a bit of a trick, albeit a pretty clever trick.

The truth is that Nokia, HTC, Samsung and even the failing Motorola have all easily outsold the iPhone - they just did it on a rolling basis and with smaller runs of multiple models aimed at different segments of the market.

[Rocco Augusto]

Originally Posted by subzerohf

Did Nokia or RIM make a fuss about how they out sell the iPhone?

I was just reading an article the other day where one of the higher ups from RIM made a few statements like this. I wish I could find the link. They pretty much stated that the iPhone pushes sales to their devices because a lot of users find out the iPhone isn't for them and then decide to purchase another smartphone type device. It was pretty interesting. I'll keep looking for a link

[Duncan]

Originally Posted by Rocco Augusto

I was just reading an article the other day where one of the higher ups from RIM made a few statements like this. I wish I could find the link. They pretty much stated that the iPhone pushes sales to their devices because a lot of users find out the iPhone isn't for them and then decide to purchase another smartphone type device. It was pretty interesting. I'll keep looking for a link

One of our local stores has had a fair few people coming in to buy Touch Diamonds, Nokia N95s and Blackberrys having returned their iPhones.

I'd love to know how many of those one million iPhones were returned.

[Rocco Augusto]

Originally Posted by Duncan

One of our local stores has had a fair few people coming in to buy Touch Diamonds

Which local store is this and how can I get to it? I desperately want a Touch Diamond. In fact I want one so bad that when I heard that the Touch diamond with the smooth back (Victor?) was just approved by the FCC for a CDMA carrier I started contemplating going CDMA even though all know how much I dislike the technology.

I'm hoping that before the CDMA version comes out some online retailers will start selling the MDA Compact IV or any of the other GSM versions soon. I could just buy a regular Touch Diamond but that diamond cut back would just drive me insane.

[Duncan]

Originally Posted by Rocco Augusto

Which local store is this and how can I get to it? I desperately want a Touch Diamond. In fact I want one so bad that when I heard that the Touch diamond with the smooth back (Victor?) was just approved by the FCC for a CDMA carrier I started contemplating going CDMA even though all know how much I dislike the technology.

Sorry Rocco - I'm afraid I'm in England.

I'm hoping that before the CDMA version comes out some online retailers will start selling the MDA Compact IV or any of the other GSM versions soon. I could just buy a regular Touch Diamond but that diamond cut back would just drive me insane.

If you get the GSM version you could always apply the fix at xda-developers.com and make it quad-band for any international journeys. CDMA won't get you too far abroad.

The Diamond's back is surprisingly un-irritating and steady.

I do like the Diamond (I got to play with one a while back and fell in love with it). I have to say though - and after only five minutes of playtime - the Touch Pro is even better. Yes it is thicker and heavier, but it is also noticeably faster, has some software quirks that improve on the Diamond and a wonderful keyboard. Plus Micro SDHC expansion (and a VGA out cable in the box apparently) for 16GB memory.

[caywen]

Microsoft needs to start leaking some official WinMo7 info, like, last week. They need to allow companies like HTC to spend less time working around MS's crappy, slow UI and more time making the hardware cheaper and better.

And developers need to spend less time working around the crappy, slow UI, too. GDI is complete crap. CF.NET's graphics is a cheap toy compared to Quartz. The only way to match the iPhone's UI in WinMo is to grab the frame buffer and rasterize yourself.

And users shouldn't have to wait 3 seconds for a simple settings dialog to come up. Not on a 200mhz processor and 64MB memory.

Users in Japan shouldn't have their PocketIE address bar input Japanese by default - URL's are in ASCII. Who thought of that? Fire that PM now.

Just the tip of the iceberg. Microsoft is no longer able to execute in a competitive way against Apple in any space. I'm very bearish on them, and I make my living writing for Windows and WinMo.

Sucks to be me. Guess I will buy a mac and iphone soon.

[Rocco Augusto]

Originally Posted by Duncan

Sorry Rocco - I'm afraid I'm in England.

Darn, I was hoping this wasn't the case

Originally Posted by caywen

Just the tip of the iceberg. Microsoft is no longer able to execute in a competitive way against Apple in any space. I'm very bearish on them, and I make my living writing for Windows and WinMo.

Just because Apple made something pretty doesn't mean that Microsoft can't compete. If anything Apple is the company that is trying to compete and trying to play catch up to Microsoft and the rest of the smartphone makers, hence the app store and the exchange support.

[QYV]

Windows Mobile is still very big in business, although still behind RIM's popular Blackberry platform.

This is actually only true in the US. Worldwide, Windows Mobile is outselling the Blackberry.

Source: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ner_Letter.pdf

[servoisgod]

I have to agree with QYV. I was going overseas (London specifically) for the last company that I worked for and everyone had nothing but hatred for blackberry. They were all over Windows Mobile and Nokia devices.

I told them that the company that was buying us out were 100% blackberry and everyone in the office was sorely upset.

Personally I can't stand RIM devices. I think they may fit in well with companies that need email integration with mail servers like Lotus Notes and stuff, but with an Exchange environment there is no reason to throw money at RIM for something that you already have.

Some people will say that RIM is far superior because of its security features. I will come back with, yes...at one time that was true.

Later,
Aaron

[Paragon]

Originally Posted by after_forever

The iPhone 3G”s use of Microsoft’s ActiveSync capability is not secure enough potentially allowing risk from a compromised mobile device (PDA) where as the Blackberry and Goodlink solutions eliminate this risk outright.

Because of the increased risk associated with Microsoft’s ActiveSync, (company name) will be continuing to limit the options to Blackberry or Goodlink for mobile device (PDA) use.

LOL....To stay ahead of the competition all MS does is sell them their inferior products. Wow!!! What an incredible marketing scheme.

Dave