And Jason, with regard to your statement about it being a $450 device, I say this: so what? The price point of the 3000 is about what most people pay for competing devices that do the same thing, music, videos, etc.
So what? Look, it's one thing to no provide an upgrade on an entry level $199 Pocket PC. The person who's buying the cheapest Pocket PC on the market either knows it probably won't get an upgrade, or they don't know any better. A $450 device is a mid/high end device that is a significantly larger investment, and the expectation of an upgrade is more reasonable. HP is alienating their customers, hurting the Pocket PC ecosystem, and I'm calling them out on it.
Jason,
You're kidding, right? Even you, an MS-MVP, Mobile Devices, can't truly believe that, do you?
At the end of the day, I'm certain they've examined the feasibility of providing upgrades to various models and came to the business-related decision that it just wouldn't be practical. Knowing what you do about the nature of companies in general, do you really belive that HP would capriciously turn away another source of revenue?
DISCLAIMER: I don't work for HP (heck, I'm not even in the computer industry at all), but I'd like to think that there are probably some practical/technical concerns involved with providing an OS upgrade to some models which might preclude them altogether.
As much as people might complain about it, my take on it all is this: if you're truly unhappy with the business practices of one company, you can simply go to another with your business; that's what's so great about this world: choice. I say this without the least bit of anger, malice, or irony Just another disclaimer, BTW. [/b]
Does anyone know if it would be possible to install the WM5 Upgrade on a system not listed as being upgradeable? :?:
Unless the ROM upgrade is specifically and explicitly made for your device, it won't work. The systems are far too different to be able to use the ROM from one device model on another.
OK. That's valid. Now, anyone have an email address of someone at HP to whom I can vent my rage? I promise not to use any four-letter words :wink:
WOW! People really get emotional about this, don't they?
is it truly realistic for people to purchase a device with a thought in the back of their minds that they're automatically entitled to an OS upgrade? I don't think so; in fact, I think that's what's wrong with our society in general: an exaggerated sense of entitlement.
Again, I say this without the slightest bit of anger, malice, or irony.
is it truly realistic for people to purchase a device with a thought in the back of their minds that they're automatically entitled to an OS upgrade? I don't think so; in fact, I think that's what's wrong with our society in general: an exaggerated sense of entitlement.
Again, I say this without the slightest bit of anger, malice, or irony.
It's not "entitlement" when the unit is touted as being upgradeable as one of it's selling points. :?
is it truly realistic for people to purchase a device with a thought in the back of their minds that they're automatically entitled to an OS upgrade? I don't think so; in fact, I think that's what's wrong with our society in general: an exaggerated sense of entitlement.
Again, I say this without the slightest bit of anger, malice, or irony.
It's not "entitlement" when the unit is touted as being upgradeable as one of it's selling points. :?
Depends on what your expectation is of being upgradeable. I believe there WERE upgrades for those device in terms of ROM upgrades that fixed several issues. So they did provide upgrades, just not to next OS major rev.
I'm not disagreeing with you - in fact I agree that those devices had every technical reason to be upgraded to newer major versions. But technically speaking, they did what they were entitled to do.
I can't recall: was the 3000 series marketed as upgradeable?
And here's an even more important question: if a device is marketed as being potentially upgradeable, does that mean it MUST be upgraded, even when an upgrade is available for another class of devices? And more to the point, would it be fair to say that it is within their rights to do this?
I'm not trying to be a jerk or a rabble-rouser, just playing Devil's Advocate; I'm not as emotionally invested in this as some might be, is all, so I tend to be a lot more objective about the whole thing.
My PocketPC has 48MB Flash, 128MB RAM, and plenty of other stuff sufficient to run WM2003SE or even the latest WM5 just released. New devices have better screen resolutions, phone-hardware added on, and other goodies, but really haven't changed much otherwise in basic design. The lack of upgrades for all hardware capable devices is not a single event now, its a definite pattern. Don't plan on getting an upgrade unless you have a new PPC.
My investment in PPC software (like alex_kac's) will now dictate when I buy new hardware, not the OEMs. :evil: I hope they (developers) support PPC2003 for a while longer...
Did anyone notice that the new OS can be upgraded over the wire directly from MS? Its still too early to tell if it will really happen and how much of it will happen...
Did anyone notice that the new OS can be upgraded over the wire directly from MS? Its still too early to tell if it will really happen and how much of it will happen...
Yeah, I saw that too. However, I think I read somewhere that it will be up to the OEM's to implement it or not.
bill talks in the keynote speach about installing an OS [component?] update just as you would an application. seems like it'd work through the OEM or Microsoft direct.
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