[JohnnyFlash]

Originally Posted by puithove

However, I have a bigger problem - Their software doesn't work through the proxy server at my work. This is a major killer for me. If I can't sync with it at work it's useless. I sent an e-mail to their tech support but never got a response back.

and my mazingo IS WORKIG through proxy serwer at office!!!
I simply has not entered any proxy and it took the default from the computer. 100% positive that it works through proxy!! (maybe fetch latest software)

[JohnnyFlash]

Originally Posted by puithove

However, I have a bigger problem - Their software doesn't work through the proxy server at my work. This is a major killer for me. If I can't sync with it at work it's useless. I sent an e-mail to their tech support but never got a response back.

and my mazingo IS WORKIG through proxy serwer at office!!!
I simply has not entered any proxy and it took the default from the computer. 100% positive that it works through proxy!! (maybe fetch latest software)

[JohnnyFlash]

Originally Posted by fmcpherson

The way AvantGo is going, they may be out of business soon. I've been trying to get a salesman to call me about their enterprise products for two weeks, and still haven't heard a word.

yes, the same with me: I have just received once, after big delays, 1 email with "we will propose you cost structure"... "cost"? go away!

[kettle]

does anyone know if Plucker works on the Pocket PC?

[Ivan]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

The key word here is "server" - there is no Mazingo server, and thus they're immune to any lawsuit from AvantGo.

Alas... but just read the abstract (and full text) of the patent:

System, method, and computer program product for synchronizing content between a server and a client based on state information


Abstract
Described herein are systems, methods, computer program products, and combinations and sub-combinations thereof, for enabling web content (as well as other objects) to be loaded on mobile devices (as well as other types of devices), and for users of mobile devices to operate with such web content on their mobile devices in an interactive manner while in an off-line mode.

It indicates "content between a server and a client, not Avantgo's server and a client... and the abstract (and subsequent full text) seem to indicate that the process of facilitating the synchronization of content to mobile devices (from the server providing the content?) is what's covered under this patent.

Then again I'm not an attorney... I hope I'm wrong. Patents of this type are simply ludicrous.

[nz0eBoy]

Originally Posted by JMountford

... As for the Avantgo patents I think they only turned up recently. Mazingo had been live for a while...

I am only a man of science, so my only experience of patent law is being screwed whenever I try to patent things.

ANyway one of the things I have been caught on in the past is that as soon as you sell anything it becomes public arena, if you have not applied for a patent before this then you will not be granted one. Er go it would seem that Avantgo has applied for a patent before they started selling their service (either that or the Patent Office has messed up again), hence the argument of Mazingo being live for a while does not work.

My take on things, but then NZ patent law is bound to be different from US Patent law.

[Kemas]

I think you can sell your product or service for one year before worrying about the patent; after one year, you can't do anything. I believe, patent pending must be supplied prior to 12 months from launch of service. If two launch, the first one out of the gate gets priority, but if only one applies...

THe big question is this, did AvantGo invent this? One could state that Microsoft was doing that with their service built into IE. If that is true, the patent AvantGo, in this regard, is useless. The patent holder must have invented the concept or bought it from the inventor.

Any lawyers in this thread?

Kemas

[JonnoB]

With patents, any 'prior art' is absent restriction. With IE and the offline synchronization makes this patent meaningless. I am not a lawyer, although my mother said I should have been one since I skillfully argued my way out of messes so many times.

[JMountford]

All I know is US Patent laws are a fishy Business and patents are frickin Expensive. Lord knows There are several ideas I would like to get patented. On top of that intelectual property is even more vauge. So theoretically Avantgo could sue for bits and pieces of infringement.

Also as stated a Patent can be applied for after a product is allready on the market, it is just stupid to wait because w/o one you are not protected. Now there is a Patent Pending status but honestly it does not mean a whole lot until the patent goes through.

[Kilmerr]

Only a matter of time, heard hints of this 6 months ago. But understandable, why waste their bandwith on people who don't pay? If the service is free, site owner pays for access to a huge market. Why is said site owner paying for his/her own content? They aren't...they are paying for the market and the compressional fast format. Wonder why they even offered custom channels in the first place? Seems more and more tho, that the expense charged is not paying off for AvantGo customers. When ABC News offed AvantGo knew only a matter of time. The biggies have been abandoning the AvantGo ship for quite awhile now And their middleware pricing is literally crazy.

But a place for both AvantGo and Mazingo. But AvantGo seems to be following a dot.com biz model. If they tank, someone can pick it up for pennies on the dollar. Lawsuits? Well that would backfire as it would just make more people AWARE of an option and make more people aware of the market, and more would rush to fill things. The market is never realized by legal fiat. You think Netscape is gonna sue itself back to market share? Dobeserious.

Mazingo is great, but since it is pull, way way slower, thankfully mutil-threading tho. AvantGo still pulls in channels in about half the time. Mazingo is great per broadband, but dial-up still a royal pain. Site owners love it, but site users, well...divided.

That having been said, I still use Mazingo 15x more than Avantgo...

Tho that 'force the icon' on my Start Menu deal has to go.

[carphead]

The full text of the patent is at this url

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...tgo&RS=avantgo

Reading the patent it looks like Avantgo patented (?) the technology of...

Client -> Server -> Content -> Server -> Client

So Client asks for content. Server retrieves content checks it against last retrieved content from Provider. If it's changed alters it to suit (ie adverts and formating) then sents it to client.

Avantgo goes....

Client -> Desktop PC -> Checkers account -> Desktop PC Retreives content and reformats the page -> Client.

Quite different really. If Avantgo want to get picky they could say that almost every offline reader did a similar sort of this.

I've had a bit of legal training (before giving it up - boring ) and I'm pretty sure any lawyer wouldn't take this on. The two technolgies are wrong.

Regards.
Daniel