[Yata]

It just doesn't very ambitious to me. If they were serious, they would dump their partners and start manufacturing their own phones. It's worked well for the Xbox and to a lesser extent the Zune too.

2% market share after 6-7 years of Windows Mobile (phone edition) isn't particularly impressive.

[Yata]

It just doesn't very ambitious to me. If they were serious, they would dump their partners and start manufacturing their own phones. It's worked well for the Xbox and to a lesser extent the Zune too.

2% market share after 6-7 years of Windows Mobile (phone edition) isn't particularly impressive.

[Nurhisham Hussein]

Originally Posted by Zex_Suik

please please PLEASE do not ever refer to our time as the iphone era again

In case you missed it, I was being sarcastic - that phrase cropped up in a couple of news reports over the weekend :roll:. I'm suffering from hype overload

[Docwiz]

Originally Posted by Deslock

Indeed. In the context of your response to dommasters, your point appeared to be to dismiss the iPhone as something that does what previous devices have been doing for years, but with better marketing. The iPhone is certainly more than that (this is the first product with a capacitance-based, multi-touch interface and arguably the first smartphone with both an effective interface and decent multimedia options).

As I wrote before, the iPhone is missing a lot of features, but it handles most key consumer needs. And the point is that what it does, it does very well. Most users will give up their (crappy) cell-phone video in exchange for an interface and web browser that aren't frustrating.

Had Microsoft announced the iPhone with an equally jaw-dropping interface, it would also get a lot of hype. Possibly not quite as much as Apple's iPhone because Apple is "hip" (though Xbox 360 has been a boon for Microsoft here), but it would still be huge.

Case in point, Microsoft's Surface got a lot of mainstream press and attention because it's a very slick product. Despite it not being announced as a consumer level product (and despite it being similar to a demo shown last year), there was a lot of hype. If the average user could get a Surface computer, it'd be the next big thing, even without having the benefit of Steve Jobs' reality distortion field :mrgreen:

As far as WM goes, Microsoft doesn't make the hardware themselves and they don't advertise the same way Apple does. And let's be honest... WM isn't a stellar product. It's feature-rich, but plagued by a mediocre interface and many frustrating problems that Microsoft has not addressed.

On the plus side, if the iPhone does well, maybe it'll prompt Microsoft to fix WM's issues. Anyway, this has gotten off topic.

I have looked at the iphone, you can do the same exact things on Windows Mobile.

The Windows Mobile Pocket PC's touch screens can do the same thing that the iphone can do and with the same interface/touch that iphone does. There are you tube videos with the proof of this.

You can even go further with this and check out Ppod. (Like an iPod Simulator just using the touch screen).

DeepFish does the same thing Safari does but on Windows Mobile.

I really don't see the big deal. They just packaged those things into a single phone and give you a ton less flexibility with it.

Apple is a company that reminds me of how shallow people are. Some people will vote for a canidate for the president of the United States on how handsome they look. Sad really.

[zetsurin]

Windows Mobile IS clunky. It IS unsuitable for the average consumer. The average consumer is not going to geek out over the functionality we find interesting, nor will they ever, nor should we expect them to. Some of the pro-WM crowd would be well advised to look at the way some Linux advocates assume that people should learn fiddly settings in the OS rather than the OS be modified to meet the criteria necessary for the average joe to get it. They end up looking like asses, which is what you guys are doing in the same way.

WM will never appeal to anything more than IT geeks in it's present and past forms. The iPhone (as much as I hate the device based on hype and the fact that you can't write or install your own apps) is a solution that will cater for and easily overtake the WM market share. Get used to it.

And besides, without Palm as a viable force to copy (the only way Microsoft 'innovates') it has stagnated, as Microsoft always does once they dispose of their 'threat'. Rest assured, the iPhone will suddenly give Microsoft new inspiration as now it has a superior target to copy. That's my cynical (yet I would also argue accurate) way of telling you guys that the iPhone is good for us as we are going to get better products soon rather than this cookie cutter crap we have been getting for years now.

It's all in the execution, and what the iPhone does, it does better than any WM device can and has ever done.