Since there isn't a thread for this on ST: for us developers, could you ask them when they are going to get serious about marketing and branding the Smartphone? We're dying here while Microsoft lets the platform die on the market.
Musicphones are the next big thing and Microsoft is and has been over 1 year ahead of the competition. It's just dumb luck that the ROKR wasn't any better or that Apple didn't grow the Nano into a phone. Though that's where they are clearly headed.
People know the brands iPod, iTunes and now, thanks to Madonna et. al., the ROKR.
Microsoft offers: "Cingular (formerly ATT) Audiovox SMT5600 with optional miniSD card connected to Windows Media Player's Plays For Sure thingy".
You can't even make an acronym out of that!
OK, flame off.
I'd give them points for getting the Treo but somehow I think Palm was the one who came a'calling.
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imho, when the mvp's are talking to ms as a group, they are pretty dammed focused and everyone is on the same page.
Re-read my post. I don't want it to seem like I'm putting down the MVP's. Just suggesting other strategies. As crazy as they may be. :wink:
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Some of these may be PPC-6700-specific, others may be a matter of opinion, but there are also some definite WM5 bugs in here that someone needs to work on ASAP: http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/showt...threadid=56302
I can't help but ask the question.
Why hasn't anything on your list been addressed? Not to make either "side" out to be the enemy.
But with the time and effort that the MVPs and MS Engineers put into this cooperative relationship, do you feel that the results are significant?
I can understand (begrudingly) things like the "close button" issue not being changed. Thats a difference in philosophy between the MVPs and MS.
Is it that there is not time to make the suggested changes? Would making these changes be a fundamental change to the OS, thereby too risky?
Something like really category filtering on PIM synchronization (near and dear to my heart). Why is this not added?
It seems that upgrade after upgrade we're left with that Super Bowl consolation statement. "Oh well, maybe next year." Which often means a new OS and the need for a new device.
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I can't help but ask the question.
Why hasn't anything on your list been addressed? Not to make either "side" out to be the enemy.
But with the time and effort that the MVPs and MS Engineers put into this cooperative relationship, do you feel that the results are significant?
I can understand (begrudingly) things like the "close button" issue not being changed. Thats a difference in philosophy between the MVPs and MS.
Is it that there is not time to make the suggested changes? Would making these changes be a fundamental change to the OS, thereby too risky?
sojourner753,
In my short stint as an MVP I very much got the feeling that the MVP program was to thank MVPs for all the work they had done for their respective categories over the year, to give them a small taste of what is to come, to then send them out to promote their catagories again.
I don't want that to come across as they are being used at all. There are lots of benifits to both sides. I just never saw feedback as being a key issue that Microsoft looks for from the average MVP...its more feedout.
There are plenty of MVPs with much longer relationships, that may have a better, more informed view, but that is the way I saw it.
That makes sense to me. I guess that my impression of what the MVP relationship was something else. Thats not to say that theres anything wrong with how it stands today.
People like Jason have made a great contribution to the Windows Mobile community and if its all about recognition for their contributions, then thats okay too.
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That makes sense to me. I guess that my impression of what the MVP relationship was something else. Thats not to say that theres anything wrong with how it stands today.
People like Jason have made a great contribution to the Windows Mobile community and if its all about recognition for their contributions, then thats okay too.
Yup, you're right....and I think there are a few select one's like Jason, and Ed who take it a step further and maybe push harder for changes, or get more involved. Again others may be able to answer this better, but I think the program is setup that if you are one who wishes to have more input, doors are maybe opened a little easier. Don't get me wrong...there are things in place for feedback, it just doesn't seem like a primary function of the program.
The "Feedout" comment says a lot... wasn't putting down your suggestion as much as trying to verbalize what Dave put so clearly into a single word.
I (naively) entered the mvp program with high hopes of getting feedback put into the system and pretty much came to the same conclusion that ms' perception of the program was "thanks for the support, and how about this neat new feature..." ;-)
As for a manifesto, it's a great idea, but, again, it's based on the assumption that ms will be responsive to concentrated input. There's actually a current, exteremely high pressure input to ms going on with the palm/wm announcement... palm is pushing for the inclusion of some palm features that have been missing... I'll be watching closely to see how many get implimented ;-)
As for a manifesto, it's a great idea, but, again, it's based on the assumption that ms will be responsive to concentrated input.
I guess I don't expect anyone but big players (like Palm Inc) to force (or nudge) Microsoft's hand. But publishing something like a manifesto would let consumers and average Joes know what the MVPs are requesting. Then perhaps we can join with them in expressing either our support or disagreement. Then perhaps we could track the progress.
Come to think of it a "manifesto" seems like a revolution. :wink:
And there is a possibility that a move like this could create static between the MVPs and Microsoft.
{sigh} Obviously its not as simple as I make it sound. Perhaps I'm just being an armchair MVP :wink:
If there's one thing thats always burning CPU cycles its my imagination.
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