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Old 03-03-2006, 09:14 PM
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I know that everyone was sceptical at first when I released my article on the missing A2DP profile (I was the one that posted the article on Pocketinfo.nl). But I heard the news directly from three decision makers independently from each other. Orange, Qtek and i-Mate all told me the same thing.

"That could not be coincidence" is what I thought. Anyway, they all told me the same story: HTC decided, with or without Microsoft's aproval, that the A2DP profile will not be in the final ROM's that were released to the OEM's like Orange, Qtek and i-Mate. So even If these OEM's demanded the A2DP profile, they would not get it since HTC decided that no one could have it.

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Old 03-03-2006, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyberjoy
I know that everyone was sceptical at first when I released my article on the missing A2DP profile (I was the one that posted the article on Pocketinfo.nl). But I heard the news directly from three decision makers independently from each other. Orange, Qtek and i-Mate all told me the same thing.

"That could not be coincidence" is what I thought. Anyway, they all told me the same story: HTC decided, with or without Microsoft's aproval, that the A2DP profile will not be in the final ROM's that were released to the OEM's like Orange, Qtek and i-Mate. So even If these OEM's demanded the A2DP profile, they would not get it since HTC decided that no one could have it.

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Interesting. One would wonder why would HTC do this, but if three individuals says that, it has to be true.

But, we have xda-developers, and I'm pretty sure that sooner or later there'll be a hybrid ROM with the new i-mate rom containing the A2DP profile.
 
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:33 PM
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I have some issues with this.

If as, rumor has it, A2DP was removed/disabled in the K-Jam Rom due to processor speed. Then it is better to remove it and give better performance than have all of the "Power Users" complaints about poor performance. Imate were on a hiding to nothing with that.
If you call removing a part that Microsoft had said would be included in AKU 2 for all devices not 'hiding something', than I guess you're right.
Sorry I meant "Hiding to Nothing" it's a GB phrase meaning they couldn't win or lose. They're stuffed if they want to satisfy the "Power Users" with slower performance or satisfy the normal man in the street with a stable device.

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Every WM website is complaining about delays. But I-mate were possibly struggling to get good performance out of the fully loaded AKU. Without the full facts it's impossible to find out the reason why.
More power for the "Give us the full facts" argument
I do agree with the statement.
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The problem with "power users" is they shout the loudest and complain the strongest.
This isn't necessarily a problem if the power users are helping OEMs create a product that appeals to more users than the OEM has currently.
True but the problem is often that hacks created by a "Power User" are then intergrated in to hacking software which can be run using a CAB or a piece of tweaking software. Then it falls into the hand of non-"Power Users" and they buy A2DP piece of hardware to use it. Then they complain about the slow down or what ever reason I-Mate decided to remove/disable A2DP for.
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Sure communication could be better from I-Mate but who ever had good communication from HP , Dell or heck what about Nokia for that matter?
Do you really think that Mr & Mrs I-Mate szt round a table and said how do we alienate our customers?
Just because other companies give bad communication doesn't give a company the right to do so. I don't think i-Mate tried to alienate users, I just think they failed to consider what their lack of communication would do to users.
Yep I'm sure they do and they'll try their best but it rarely work. I've been in this game to long. We might, if we're lucky, hear the usual waffle about "Sorry we should listen to our users more" or "We've learn't from our mistakes". But it'll stay the same.

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There are hundreds perhaps thousands of K-Jam and Qtek 9100 users presently using a leaked Qtek ROM with A2DP in it and their are having zero problems with it. Given this fact, the idea that A2DP was removed because of some performance issue or other problem seems highly unlikely.
But I-Mate will of tested this against hundreds/thousands of devices. As would of HTC. I think there's a valid reason for this and I hope that I-Mate come forward with a reason but I doubt they will.
 
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:44 PM
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There are hundreds perhaps thousands of K-Jam and Qtek 9100 users presently using a leaked Qtek ROM with A2DP in it and their are having zero problems with it. Given this fact, the idea that A2DP was removed because of some performance issue or other problem seems highly unlikely.

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I have some HP headphones I picked up in Heathrow a while ago, but have only recently been able to use them with my O2 Xda devices. On my Xda Exec, performance is good, but if the distance between headphone and device is greater than about 1.5m, the signal distorts quickly and the PDA becomes unbearably slow. On my O2 Xda Mini S, I found switching this feature on slows the device right down – only music is possible, video won’t display.
I won't say there is zero problem with A2DP.
 
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:55 PM
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Foxbat121: As far as i know, Universal has serveral speed problems (or had....please correct me, I'm not an Universal owner). IIRC, with the leaked Qtek ROM on Wizard, it performed pretty well. BUt it is true, that Bluetooth has limited bandwidth.
 
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Old 03-03-2006, 10:04 PM
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There are hundreds perhaps thousands of K-Jam and Qtek 9100 users presently using a leaked Qtek ROM with A2DP in it and their are having zero problems with it. Given this fact, the idea that A2DP was removed because of some performance issue or other problem seems highly unlikely.

Dave
Have you seen this review?

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I have some HP headphones I picked up in Heathrow a while ago, but have only recently been able to use them with my O2 Xda devices. On my Xda Exec, performance is good, but if the distance between headphone and device is greater than about 1.5m, the signal distorts quickly and the PDA becomes unbearably slow. On my O2 Xda Mini S, I found switching this feature on slows the device right down – only music is possible, video won’t display.
I won't say there is zero problem with A2DP.
Ok I'll give that....one report. I read a lot of different forums, particularily for converged devices. This is NOT a common problem. In fact it is the only negative report I've read about it. Range issues with BT haedsets are nothing new regardless of the device, stack, or OS.

BTW....If HTC is removing A2DP and telling the OEMs they can't have it, how is it that the Qtek ROM DOES have it?

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Old 03-03-2006, 11:19 PM
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Don't you people get it?

The functional PPC is officially dead with the introduction of WM5.

I haven't seen a single example of anyone who's pleased with WM5 - certainly not people who purchased a WM5 upgrade.

Maybe the WM5-based PDA folks (you know the ones with WM5 designed and burned in to their ROMs from day one) are happy - but where are they? I haven't seen one.

Needless to say, with regard to these quibbles about missing features from WM5, I think you guys would be used to it by now.

Yeah, I'm an Axim x50v user - stuck at WM2003SE - thanks Dell!

p.s. I bought the upgrade, if only I could get it to work on my x50v...
 
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Old 03-04-2006, 02:00 AM
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[quote="DarkHelmet"

I haven't seen a single example of anyone who's pleased with WM5 - certainly not people who purchased a WM5 upgrade.

Maybe the WM5-based PDA folks (you know the ones with WM5 designed and burned in to their ROMs from day one) are happy - but where are they? I haven't seen one.
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I have two WM5 machines and I'm pretty happy with both of them. I love one handed operation, big improvement compared to my previous Phone Edition.
And as for bugs, I have owned quite a few WinCE devices and neither was bug free and iPaq 3870 was I guess by far the worst, the WM5 is actually very good, the A2DP would only made it better.
 
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Old 03-04-2006, 05:40 AM
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1st off: great article! as a user of the Qtek Test ROM I'd say i-mate is just playing it safe. it's harder to do damage control I guess... :roll:
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Old 03-04-2006, 12:55 PM
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First Off..........Good Article.

Second this would be great in a perfect world.

Lets face it all the manufacturers and Microsoft want to do is sell units. They can tell you what you want to hear and we believe it.

We need to start buying our devices like you do a standard Cell Phone.

If it has that feature then you get that feature. We have to stop believing in Vapor Ware just because we want to.
Even I bought a device that I hoped would be upgradable or that the Cell company would make upgrades and add features too.

I have woken up and everyone else needs to also.

If it does not have it when you buy it, do not expect it!

I wish we could rely on companies to care about the end user but that is just a dream that we all need to wake up from.
They only care about one thing and that is selling more and making profit!
 
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