[efjay]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

Yeah, I know what you mean. I think it really comes down to leadership - the Windows Mobile group hasn't had any good leadership for years. I think that's changing now, but is it in time to right the ship? Guess we'll see...

Here's a question a bit off topic, if MS doesnt right the ship, would people be happy with a mobile world dominated by apple and google where corporate decides what is good for you? They have both demonstrated that they are ultimately in control of what you can do with their devices (especially apple) and for most people who are content with the "shiny" factor of these phones this doesnt matter but for a mobile power user is that acceptable? Because it seems as though nothing MS will ever do will bring them any success in the mobile world and they are slowly being herded towards the back of the line in the mobile world as consumers of todays generation are conditioned to believe that WM is not good for anything.

[efjay]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

Yeah, I know what you mean. I think it really comes down to leadership - the Windows Mobile group hasn't had any good leadership for years. I think that's changing now, but is it in time to right the ship? Guess we'll see...

Here's a question a bit off topic, if MS doesnt right the ship, would people be happy with a mobile world dominated by apple and google where corporate decides what is good for you? They have both demonstrated that they are ultimately in control of what you can do with their devices (especially apple) and for most people who are content with the "shiny" factor of these phones this doesnt matter but for a mobile power user is that acceptable? Because it seems as though nothing MS will ever do will bring them any success in the mobile world and they are slowly being herded towards the back of the line in the mobile world as consumers of todays generation are conditioned to believe that WM is not good for anything.

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by efjay

Here's a question a bit off topic, if MS doesnt right the ship, would people be happy with a mobile world dominated by apple and google where corporate decides what is good for you?

I know I sure don't. I don't want my choice of mobile being a matter of black or white and a choice of storage capacity. That's not my idea of choice.

[Fritzly]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

Indeed, making the hardware means Apple makes some SERIOUS coin. No doubt about that. But Google is making effectively ZERO dollars off Android and they still get mentioned in all the articles.

Keep in mind that Android enjoy the novelty effect; when MS began to offer WM they had a lot of exposure; besides few exceptions, years after years they repackaged the same warmed up soup trying to portrait it as a breakthrough.
I remember when they were going to deliver with WM 6 what now seems it might arrive with WM 7...and when they were promisng it with WM 6 it was already overdue.

I rememebr people in line out of stores to buy Windows 95. Why? Because it was a breakthrough, a really innovative product.

I am afraid that if Bill Gates and a bunch of other "out of the box", not big business obsessed, thinkers did not come and replace the actual management MS will get more and more in trouble.