- The newest update they are trying to do is totally fragmented and not supported by some phones based on whether or not users self-applied the last update. Sorry - this type of thing this early? Broken and clueless.
Well, as someone who self-updated his phone via the "Walsh" method, I knew I was taking a risk and might screw up my phone for future updates. Anyone who used this method and is now angry about not being able to get future updates is being a baby - the warnings were VERY clear that this was an unsupported process that had risks. So I don't blame Microsoft for not having a fix to undo the unofficial method some of us used.
....however, I and everyone else who used this method wouldn't have even thought of resorting to it if Microsoft and their partners had a more predictable roll-out schedule for the updates. I've never touched a custom ROM image in my life - I'm about as Lawful Good as it gets (D&D insider joke there) when it comes to software, firmware, and apps for my devices...but I was so utterly fed up with the delays I pulled the trigger because I wanted to get some bugs fixed on my phone.
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Well, as someone who self-updated his phone via the "Walsh" method, I knew I was taking a risk and might screw up my phone for future updates. Anyone who used this method and is now angry about not being able to get future updates is being a baby - the warnings were VERY clear that this was an unsupported process that had risks. So I don't blame Microsoft for not having a fix to undo the unofficial method some of us used.
....however, I and everyone else who used this method wouldn't have even thought of resorting to it if Microsoft and their partners had a more predictable roll-out schedule for the updates. I've never touched a custom ROM image in my life - I'm about as Lawful Good as it gets (D&D insider joke there) when it comes to software, firmware, and apps for my devices...but I was so utterly fed up with the delays I pulled the trigger because I wanted to get some bugs fixed on my phone.
Well said Jason - there was so much about what would be delivered and when, and none of it has really happened ... and what HAS happened has largely been botched! So I feel for those who are in this situation ... but again I put it back on Microsoft. There is one thing where folks want to jump on everything immediately, but another thing with how abysmally the 'NoDo' update went ... and for how arrogant Microsoft was (via Brandon Watson) in the face of their blatant incompetence at rolling out a basic first update to a half-dozen handsets ... again, it shows how MS clearly isn't even remotely ready for anything but amateur hour ...
I am also 'LG' to the point where I am stuck without screenshot capability on my Droid Pro because I won't root ...
I am also 'LG' to the point where I am stuck without screenshot capability on my Droid Pro because I won't root ...
If you want to talk about a disaster update story, look at Android. Yeesh! What an ugly mess that is. Microsoft's story looks great in comparison.
Apple seems to be the only ones who really have updates figured out - but they'd have to be idiots to not have it figured out given they have one model of phone (well, maybe two if you count GSM and CDMA versions).
I personally believe that Microsoft has learned a lot from the current mess they're in and I have cautious hopes that by the time Mango arrives, things will go smoother.
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If you want to talk about a disaster update story, look at Android. Yeesh! What an ugly mess that is. Microsoft's story looks great in comparison.
Actually it really doesn't ... Android IS a fragmented mess, but there are many generations of phones with loads of devices across tons of hardware and other stuff ... and yet ~90% of all active users are on either 2.1 or 2.2! I have yet to hear of a unified release with as many issues as NoDo. And again, there were more Android models released *this week* than TOTAL WP7 models ... so this is supposed to be when it is EASY.
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Apple seems to be the only ones who really have updates figured out - but they'd have to be idiots to not have it figured out given they have one model of phone (well, maybe two if you count GSM and CDMA versions).
Well, you have 5 iPhone versions (4 + VZW), 4 iPod Touch generations and 2 iPad generations. Still ... there are loads of pros and cons and it is different enough that it is hard to compare.
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I personally believe that Microsoft has learned a lot from the current mess they're in and I have cautious hopes that by the time Mango arrives, things will go smoother.
I hope you are right ...
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Sorry, why is it wrong to root an Android phone?
It isn't inherently wrong ... but coming from a gaming perspective before I got my first smartphone I have typically seen folks using 'custom firmware' as a means of pirating software. I would say that 99.99995% of PSP's with custom firmware are running pirated games ... and so on.
Actually it really doesn't ... Android IS a fragmented mess, but there are many generations of phones with loads of devices across tons of hardware and other stuff ... and yet ~90% of all active users are on either 2.1 or 2.2!
I don't know, it's the endless griping of Android users complaining about not getting such-and-such release, and the mockery of reviewers of new phones coming out with such-and-such old release, is quite firmly embedded in my mind.
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I don't know, it's the endless griping of Android users complaining about not getting such-and-such release, and the mockery of reviewers of new phones coming out with such-and-such old release, is quite firmly embedded in my mind.
Both of you aren't quite wrong, and at the same time aren't quite right. True, most devices are on 2.1 or 2.2, but the difference in functionality between the two can be quite large. Built-in Apps2SD, performance boosts, and more (which by now I've quite taken them for granted).
Note that there's less moaning about phones not having 2.3; Gingerbread is not such a big update that not having it will not set one's phone that far back among the newer phones.
Now, back to WP7: I really had a pleasant time updating my LG Optimus 7. I still think the anger needs to be directed at carriers. Until you break them like the way Apple did, you North American users are going to have to put up with a lot of issues.
As for sales, I think expecting WP7 to hit Android levels was never going to be possible. I still think MS has a chance to be a player in the market, but they need to act quickly. Restore functionality, and more importantly, get more developers to code apps. Marketplace is a sad sad *sad* place. Never thought I'd say that about Android Market, but it now actually has a decent collection of apps.
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It isn't inherently wrong ... but coming from a gaming perspective before I got my first smartphone I have typically seen folks using 'custom firmware' as a means of pirating software. I would say that 99.99995% of PSP's with custom firmware are running pirated games ... and so on.
Well, if you know the distinction, why not root your Droid? Sticking to a rigid rule without applying the principle sounds like shooting yourself in the foot.
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I think declarations of failure are a little premature.
The Nokia deal was HUGE for Microsoft.
If Windows Phone could convert the even 10% of Nokia's current customers by the end of 2012, then that launches Windows Phone into being an extremely competitive ecosystem quickly.
Nokia isn't a bit player by any means. And while they are losing market share right now, there are still quite a few people around the globe that are much more loyal to the Nokia brand than they are to any OS.
Also keep in mind that when Windows Phone 8 is released, that doesn't mean that Windows Phone 7 is dead. My guess is that WP7 will continue to exist as an option for low cost smartphones around the world.
They could be two concurrent products. Each with its own set of minimum system requirements.
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