Obviously this entire site is built on a modified phpBB. I was just wondering if you are aware that you are obligated to give all of the code away given the request? phpBB is released under the GNU general public license. Publishing this site online is the equivalent of distributing a "binary" or compiled code since php is compiled server side:
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3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it,
under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of
Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:
a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable
source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections
1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
customarily used for software interchange; or,
c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer
to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is
allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you
received the program in object code or executable form with such
an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)
Just wondering what your thoughts are on this (haha, get it... thoughts. ... oy).
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Assuming that you are correct (and I have to assume that you are, since I know nothing about this kind of thing), and assuming that this is the first time you have mentioned this to PPCT, AND considering that this post may be stricken from the record, and/or myself punished...I would be inclined to think that you are something of an inconsiderate ass.
What kind of buffoon (after so many people have acknowledged the amounts of time and effort that have gone into this site) would bring that to the site master's attention on a public forum?
Perhaps it would have been a little more diplomatic to discuss this with Jason privately rather than raising it in a pubic forum.
This is where the open source "debate" (for want of a better word) gets confusing to me. It's one thing to acknowledge inteleectual property to get from someone else but it's quite another to have to give away your IP. I'm not taking a stand here but just because someone else wants to give something away it doesn't mean you have to as well. However, f it is a condition of using the "free" software that you have make available any enhancements you make to it then that's a differnt story.
It's all a little confusing for me :?
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Would someone please explain to me what in the quoted license -- Gnu or otherwise -- requires site operators to freely distribute their customized mods to the phpBB platform? Maybe I'm missing something, but I think our troll here is misinterpreting the agreement. ,:|
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Obviously this entire site is built on a modified phpBB. I was just wondering if you are aware that you are obligated to give all of the code away given the request? phpBB is released under the GNU general public license. Publishing this site online is the equivalent of distributing a "binary" or compiled code since php is compiled server side
It's kind of amusing that because you see the surface of the site you assume you know how the back-end works. :roll: You know what they say about assumptions. You'd look less silly if you had ASKED rather than accused.
We have made only very minor modifications to phpBB - 99% of the Thoughts Media Engine is completely modular and externalized for the very reasons that you specify. Our goal is to make these external modules forum-independent, meaning we could attach them to vBulletin or anything else and they would work. Right now they're designed to hook into phpBB, but if I were to turn over the phpBB code we have, it would look virtually identical to the phpBB 2.04 that you can download now. We didn't want to go down the road of hacking up the core code because it would make upgrading to newer versions a nightmare. As it stands now, we can upgrade to newer versions of phpBB with no hassle at all.
I don't know exactly what your purpose was in bringing this up here in a public forum - were you trying to chastise us because you felt we were doing something wrong? Or because you felt you now had a "right" to the work that we've done? Either way, I don't appreciate it all that much. :?
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Definitely could have been addressed more discretely.
To add to what Anthony said, the quote from Skitals makes no mention of having to distribute any enhancements made.
Also, the statement "Publishing this site online is the equivalent of distributing a "binary" or compiled code since php is compiled server side" seems a bit of a leap, but I am not an atty.
Skitals, is PDAtweaks.com an actual site? While I see the domain is registered, nothing comes up when I go to the site.
This is where the open source "debate" (for want of a better word) gets confusing to me. It's one thing to acknowledge inteleectual property to get from someone else but it's quite another to have to give away your IP. I'm not taking a stand here but just because someone else wants to give something away it doesn't mean you have to as well. However, f it is a condition of using the "free" software that you have make available any enhancements you make to it then that's a differnt story.
It's all a little confusing for me :?
When software, such as phpBB, is distributed under the GNU General Public License, then users have access to the source code and can modify this source code for their own purposes. However, by executing your rights under this GNU license, and modifying the software, then you must also honor the license for your modified source code, and make it freely accessable to the public as well. However, in this case, as Jason explained, they didn't do much modification to the source code, they've created modules which hook into any forum system, in this case it's phpBB, so this whole disscusion is mute.
Public question in a public forum don't see what the big deal is, it's obvious you use phpBB and the GNU license and GPL is an interesting thing and it's probably best it was brought up at some point publicly so everyone is clear there is no wrong doing. :worried:
It's kind of amusing that because you see the surface of the site you assume you know how the back-end works. :roll: You know what they say about assumptions. You'd look less silly if you had ASKED rather than accused.
Hmm.. from yesterday & today (regarding subscriber services):
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Originally Posted by Fishie
I hate em.
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Originally Posted by Jason Dunn
I have a mental list of people I know will never subscribe to the site, and you're on it Fishie - no one is forcing you to subscribe, so at the very least do me the courtesy of not bad-mouthing our new system.
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Originally Posted by Fishie
Dude id love to sign up
Thing is i dont have paypal nor a visa card.
So im screwed.
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Originally Posted by Jason Dunn
Oh. 8O
Case in point!
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