I don't even begin to comprehend your lamenting. If you know that Verizon is bad for providing upgrades for their devices then why do you bother buying from them? You are only fueling the problem.
Because Verizon works?
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Third you could always get a Palm based device and enjoy using your toy instead of forever waiting for the fixes that never come.
I believe Raphael did initially pick up a 700w, but ditched it because of the RAM and Bluetooth troubles.
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Then again you can always just sit and complaint and try to rally some support and pity for the poor state you are in…..but that is not going to help you now is it?
Well, this site, as the title suggests, is about "Daily News, Views, Rants and Raves". We freely point out that we're going to make the occasional rant.
ah, feel the wrath of arrogant CDMA companies! This is how I felt with the PPC6600. I finally said f- all this and went with a GSM carrier so at least I have CHOICE!
Obviously, MSFP is not available yet on this and many other Pocket PC phones, so we're not there yet.
My point is, compared to a nonconverged device, this is moot. Even non-MSFP devices can do SMS push or timed pulls and get email reasonably fast.
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There is no reason to have to cough up more $ for a phone up front, and more $ each month as a result of a short term commitment.
For Verizon, a 1-year contract implies you pay a bit more up front, but you can generally get the same plan.
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The XV6700 is not light years ahead of nonconverged devices. I have 128MB RAM on my device, a VGA screen, dual slots, BT, WiFi, and a 400MHz processor. I bought my unit back in 2003.
Sorry -- I should have prefaced it with "IMHO". In terms of usability, I use my Treo 700w far more than I used my e805, which had that 128MB of RAM (and 160MB of NAND storage), 4" VGA, dual slots, WiFi, 400MHz, VGA adapter, etc. etc. I personally wouldn't go back. Of course, YMMV. I'm just trying to explain my perspective and why I make these decisions the way I do.
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I understand the reason converged devices are so hot right now... people want to be able to surf the web wirelessly.
Actually, I "surf" very little, most of the time. I do use email quite heavily, and on occasion I'll use Google or Virtual Earth Mobile to look up information, and for that the 700w works great. It's also small, and by virtue of being a phone I always carry it everywhere -- more than my disconnected Pocket PCs.
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I would like to as well, but my plan is to exercise a little patience for a couple of years. By then, we may even have the BT voice dial you mentioned.
Of course, you have to wait for when it's right for you.
signothefish wrote: > all the more reason to not go with a converged device right now
Non converged devices (separate phone and pda) are also plagued with needed firmware updates that don't get delivered! Or if delivered, the firmware may be undesireable after Verizon screws it up. My brother has a flip phone on Verizon that he uses for bluetooth data. The firmware is so messed up that he has to manually get a data plan price adjustment monthly (they charge him $400+ when his usage is within his plan due to the way the phone identifies its data usage with the network). The newer firmware they have for his phone kills the bluetooth capability! What excellent service Verizon!
> Let the kinks get worked out and come back in a couple of years, when hardware is supported better, the robust features return, and high-speed data coverage is much better
It doesn't matter when you purchase your phone--the hardware, features, and data coverage/speed are always getting "much better". If you wait for the ideal hardware setup and price, you will never buy a product.
> That way you don't get locked into a service with a substandard piece of hardware to carry you through the 2-year term
Janak wrote: > If you're willing to pay more, you can usually sign up to a 1-year term
I now own an i-mate JAMin, my first device non tied to my cell service term. It was well worth the higher price. No screwed-up bluetooth limitations, firmware updates, etc. That solves many of the technical issues and pains (but doesn't change the fact that I'm still locked into a carrier with a contract of some sort...for a few more months anyway).
> if you need things like Bluetooth headset voice dial, the Pocket PC may indeed be a bad choice
I just tried my i-mate JAMin with an iTech clip R35 a2dp/phone headset and when I tapped its phone button the JAMin started listening for voice dial... No registry hack needed.
wirelessbeachbum wrote: > my day job is still stuck in the 90's... all communication is by fax and voice mail...
I just tried my i-mate JAMin with an iTech clip R35 a2dp/phone headset and when I tapped its phone button the JAMin started listening for voice dial... No registry hack needed.
Okay, let me rephrase -- the OS support for Bluetooth voice dial sucks, and it's up to individual OEMs to make sure their support is better. I think that's a scenario that should be well-supported out of the box on every Pocket PC phone. I'm glad to hear that i-mate/HTC is fixing it.
Third you could always get a Palm based device and enjoy using your toy instead of forever waiting for the fixes that never come.
I believe Raphael did initially pick up a 700w, but ditched it because of the RAM and Bluetooth troubles.
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err. I meant to say Palm Palm not WinPalm....big difference in reliability.
Ranting is not the same as whining..... Ranting I can take in stride because it can be fun, when I think of ranting I think Stalin, Lenin or that other guy with the funny mustache, when I hear whining I think 3 year old kid. Not quite the same thing.
I understand the reason converged devices are so hot right now... people want to be able to surf the web wirelessly.
Gah! I'm so tired of hearing about the wireless Web! :evil: Even the best of the converged devices are horrible at surfing the Web compared to simple computer (Opera helps, but it has its limits). I grant that a converged device is easier to carry around than even the smallest of laptops, but how many of us really need to stay attached to the Web all day long? And yet the companies act like that's the only reason anyone would want a converged device!
Some of us want a converged device because we want to carry both a phone and a PDA, but don't like looking like we're wearing Batman's old utility belt. I used to carry a phone (StarTAC 7868W, still a better phone than just about anything you can get today), a PDA (Toshiba e805, still a pretty decent PDA), and a multi-tool (Leatherman New Wave, accept no substitutes). I was bonking into doorframes and hanging up on seatbelts all over the place. Now I just carry my phone, and grumble when I need the devices I left at home.
Not bashing on you specifically, BTW; this is just a bit of a sore topic with me right now. I've been trying to find a replacement phone for a while, and I'm balking at being forced to buy a data plan I don't intend on using. :grumble:
StarTAC 7868W, still a better phone than just about anything you can get today
Bah, I say. It was solid except for that lousy antenna. And the screen is awful small by modern standards. And the keys suck comparatively. Ever use the WAP browser on the thing?
Anyway, I largely agree with the post. A PDA phone also allows you to sync/backup all your contacts and other PIM info, which is extremely useful. PDA phones are certainly useful as non-data phones. I would never get a phone today that didn't have a similar sync experience.
Bah, I say. It was solid except for that lousy antenna. And the screen is awful small by modern standards. And the keys suck comparatively. Ever use the WAP browser on the thing?
Except for all that, it was great! :way to go: I've broken two antennas in the entire time I've had the phone, though they usually were bent at some odd angle for a long time before they finally broke off. The screen is definitely a relic of a more innocent time, I was lucky enough to get one of the early ones with decent keys, and the WAP browser was so obviously hopeless that I never bothered with it. I still get charged for it every so often, though. Oh, and the phone even locks up every so often, so that's not restricted just to modern phones. :rock on dude!:
But the reception is superb. That's mostly what I was referring to. The reception on most of the more modern phones is pretty sketchy out here in the sticks.
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A PDA phone also allows you to sync/backup all your contacts and other PIM info, which is extremely useful. [...] I would never get a phone today that didn't have a similar sync experience.
My wife's lost all her contacts twice because the phone bellied up and she hadn't manually(!) copied all the numbers off of it. With how much we keep on these fool devices now, backups are a must. Hey, that sounds like a great opportunity for the cell companies to charge us for yet another basic service! :roll:
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