Try waiting for a firmware update from Cingular... I've been waiting - and waiting - and waiting - for Cingular's "official" MSFP update to the 8125. At least there's xda-developers.com where somehow things circulate... :-)
See, I take the completely opposite position. All the support in the world is useless if you get no coverage. Verizon has the coverage and the service, and so I pay. :|
--janak
I have to agree with you. Every other carrier pretty much stinks in the reception department in my area. Verizon is my only real choice.
Try waiting for a firmware update from Cingular... I've been waiting - and waiting - and waiting - for Cingular's "official" MSFP update to the 8125. At least there's xda-developers.com where somehow things circulate... :-)
I was going to say the same thing.....while its a cousin (as opposed to a brother) to the 6700, the Cingular 8125 hasn't recieved its update either.......your not the only one with that device whose carrier is "sitting" on the update.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but this is all the more reason to not go with a converged device right now. I just don't think it's the right time. Let the kinks get worked out and come back in a couple of years, when hardware is supported better, the robust features return, and high-speed data coverage is much better. That way you don't get locked into a service with a substandard piece of hardware to carry you through the 2-year term.
We can always hope that they accidently put it up on the vzw smithmicro site like they did for the i730... I hope they were able to include some fix on the memory card/ hang issue, I don't care too much about the messaging pack, since I left working for the borg (aka vzw) I no longer need it. My company uses hosted pop3 and my day job is still stuck in the 90's... all communication is by fax and voice mail...
As for my time working for vzw I can confirm that most decisions about release dates are controlled mostly by marketing considerations, and by cost to implement and train support staff...(data tech support not so much retail techs as they have very little training or responsibility for advanced devices.) From a cost perspective when an update is rolled out it cost quite a bit in manhours to support installations and all of the assorted nasty occurences when updating firmware.
There is a realitively small number of the data group that really know the ins and outs of the pocket pc, and the trainers (even the data specialist) mostly have a background in training and not in advanced devices. (they teach the products but only know as much as included in the prepared lessons.) Nothing against Verizon's training department they do have one of the best in the industry, however very rarely do you get a geek with the passion for the inner workings of a ppc that is also interested in working in a training department.
The group that approves data software updates is usually tasked to rank the projects by what will bring in the most revenue, as much marketing and hype that was put into the 700w it was deemed more important. And I can only assume that the i730 update was closely related to the i830 update which was needed for competative reasons with an international email solution, and of course the Q would get a bump on the list due to the "cool factor" and Moto / Microsofts desire to eliminate RIM from the equation.
Speaking of RIM anyone seen Blackberry Connect on a VZW device yet?
I hate to sound like a broken record, but this is all the more reason to not go with a converged device right now. I just don't think it's the right time.
I disagree. We're talking about a ROM upgrade to add MSFP. Even without that, the XV6700 and its brethren are light-years ahead of nonconverged devices.
That said, if you need things like Bluetooth headset voice dial, the Pocket PC may indeed be a bad choice. I may do up a THOUGHT on that in the near future.
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That way you don't get locked into a service with a substandard piece of hardware to carry you through the 2-year term.
If you're willing to pay more, you can usually sign up to a 1-year term; that's what I do.
I don't even begin to comprehend your lamenting. If you know that Verizon is bad for providing upgrades for their devices then why do you bother buying from them? You are only fueling the problem. Second, if you were really crafty you could help yourself by visiting your friendly neighborhood xda-developers and see if they have a much needed remedy for your problems. Third you could always get a Palm based device and enjoy using your toy instead of forever waiting for the fixes that never come.
Then again you can always just sit and complaint and try to rally some support and pity for the poor state you are in…..but that is not going to help you now is it?
While you practice your meditation, and wait for some code scraps off of Verizon coding table, give this a thought or two.
Einstein told us, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.”
…and it that does not work – just reboot, it is Windows after all, so what do you expect?
I hate to sound like a broken record, but this is all the more reason to not go with a converged device right now. I just don't think it's the right time.
I disagree. We're talking about a ROM upgrade to add MSFP. Even without that, the XV6700 and its brethren are light-years ahead of nonconverged devices.
That said, if you need things like Bluetooth headset voice dial, the Pocket PC may indeed be a bad choice. I may do up a THOUGHT on that in the near future.
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That way you don't get locked into a service with a substandard piece of hardware to carry you through the 2-year term.
If you're willing to pay more, you can usually sign up to a 1-year term; that's what I do.
--janak
Obviously, MSFP is not available yet on this and many other Pocket PC phones, so we're not there yet. There is no reason to have to cough up more $ for a phone up front, and more $ each month as a result of a short term commitment. Things are changing and will be changing too quickly to warrant a long term commitment. Let the dust settle a bit, and then think about the device you want to stay married to for the next 2 years. Do a lot of research up front, and then if it already has the features and quality you're looking for, go for it.
The XV6700 is not light years ahead of nonconverged devices. I have 128MB RAM on my device, a VGA screen, dual slots, BT, WiFi, and a 400MHz processor. I bought my unit back in 2003.
I understand the reason converged devices are so hot right now... people want to be able to surf the web wirelessly. I would like to as well, but my plan is to exercise a little patience for a couple of years. By then, we may even have the BT voice dial you mentioned.
I respect your decision about getting a non converged device, it sounds like you made the correct choice for how you want to use your ppc, However when it comes to ROM upgrades on nonconverged devices you are only at the mercy of your OEM. Things can still go wrong at this level...I still own a Jornada that's capable of an upgrade but deemed not profitable by HP.
With converged devices you now include a third party (your carrier) into the upgrade scheme.
The issue with Verizon is they launched the phone (6700) after Sprint and Alltel, yet seem to be stalling the release of the upgrade.
If they didn't try to muddle up the OS so much the update would most likely be ready.
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