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Old 07-30-2007, 11:03 PM
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...The biggest issue for me was Microsoft's terrible Bluetooth stack. I have a new car with built-in Bluetooth. ... Toyota's website said this was a problem with all WM5 phones ... WM6 has actually fixed all of this, so I assume Microsoft fixed their Bluetooth stack. The BT connection is almost instantaneous, the phonebook transferred automatically, the connection never drops. ...
I have a 2006 Toyota Prius and was experiencing the same problems you described with my E-TEN G-500, originally E-TEN used a proprietary Bluetooth stack (which included the stereo headset implementation... this is BEFORE Microsoft updated their stack to include stereo Bluetooth (A2DP?)).

Stereo Bluetooth was great, but pairing with the Prius was not. It took quite some time to get the pairing sequence just right -- but once paired it worked pretty well. When E-TEN updated their ROM to include Microsoft's BT stack -- including stereo Bluetooth (as well as push-email, etc.) -- I didn't have a problem pairing with my Prius (or anything else for that matter. That's with the MS BT stack in WinMo 5 -- not 6.

I then upgraded to a MiTech Mio A701 (also WinMo 5), also with the MS (stereo) BT stack, and also have not have a problem pairing with my Prius (or anything else).

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Old 08-01-2007, 07:32 PM
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what disgusts me is that from what I read on XDA-dev, ATT is pushing a bunch of DRECK onto the phone. I bet THIS is the reason that the ROM hasn't released officially yet, because all of their CRAP is probably giving them fits with testing.

THAT is the reason people cook their own ROMs, because we have to get rid of the CRAP that the carriers push on us. I don't want ATT Video, XM Trials, and all that other crap. That was one good thing about the WM5 on the treo, it lacked a lot of that stuff.

I also read that they are stripping out Pocket MSN. I think Microsoft should revoke their licenses for doing that.

I would LOVE it if Microsoft would just make their own unlocked GSM phone. Its the CARRIER'S FAULT that we have to put up with these upgrade shenannigans, not Microsoft.
 
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:49 PM
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what disgusts me is that from what I read on XDA-dev, ATT is pushing a bunch of DRECK onto the phone.
"A bunch" is an understatement. :roll:
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:57 PM
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i installed this ROM last night. Can't comment on the stability yet, though things already "seem" better than WM5.

The ATT crap is egregious. Carriers have gone off the deep end. I'll be waiting patiently for a cooked ROM to take all this crap out. The icons....many are just links to HTML pages! WHO CARES!?!?!
 
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Old 08-04-2007, 03:23 AM
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So far I've only found one app that isn't working correctly for me - iGo 2006 Plus. The display of this nav app gets drawn a half-a-screen too high and is unusable as such. I don't know if the problem is the app itself, WM 6 or merely that it's still a test version, but the glitch is there!

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Old 08-13-2007, 11:44 AM
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I tend to live most of my online life over at XDA Devs, but this is an interesting question for all hackers and tweakers:
As enthusiasts, we spend an enormous amount of time introducing instability into our systems, tweaking, refining, rebooting, registry editing, hacking, reverse engineering, re-writing, reflashing, pleading to forgiving better-halves and generally suffering from trichotillomania.

Why? So that at the end of the day we can come out with a new tweak, or a new rom, that's 0.01% faster, has a shinier bar at the bottom, tweaks the carrier logo, or whatever's your poison.

I'm a little bit of a PPC nerd, but I have the enormous pleasure of rubbing shoulders with some of the smartest hackers I've ever known. We all work hard, doing a job that we should not have to do: we spend our hard-earned time to improve the device that we've spent our hard earned cash on.

In an ideal world, Microsoft would have made the operating system perfect, and would merely push improvements to us, over the air, transparently, ever week, and our WM2003 devices would have self upgraded themselves to WM6 by now.

However, due to the agreements and the way that most of the Mobile Phone Operators operate, any build improvements from Microsoft, the manufacturer (eg HTC), or indeed the phone company (eg Orange) must get pushed to the Operator, who will then rebrand it, test it (because of course, we never want buggy upgrades), decide whether to charge for it, and finally get around to releasing it some months later. Or: maybe they will just decide to sit on it and never release it, as it will impact sales for the devices that have become more relevant in the intervening period.

I love my phone (HTC Hermes), as an extension of my daily life. I like to tweak it, here and there, there and here. I know I waste a disproportionate amount of time doing so, often for little practical gain. But why then? Because we're enthusiasts, and that's what we do.

So, if Microsoft dangles a carrot in front of our face in 2005, and tells us they're going to release WM6 to manufacturers, that's great news! And if they tell us, it's hardware compatible with WM5, that's even better news! Now we just have to wait for HTC and Orange et al to release it to into our outstretched hands.

But.... sometimes, things don't work like that. It requires effort to rewrite drivers for the new OS. To test compatibility with the new upgrades. To ensure nothing crashes, or is less stable, or won't randomly drop calls. This requires investment. And investment demands cash returns. So, it only really makes sense for the operator to release a tested, substantial upgrade if they can get something out of it: whether that's improved goodwill, or just a a few dollars/pounds/won... and you know: sometimes, it makes sense not to release it all!
Why upgrade the HTC Wizard to WM6, when it will cannibalise sales from "true" WM6 devices like the Keiser? So, commercial decisions may just come down to the hard truth: they're not going to upgrade your phone, even though it can, because it's not commercially sensible to do so.

Understand: I have absolutely no problems with that. Our phone manufacturers are in Business, so random acts of generosity are few and far between. It makes sense to sell a million new handsets, then to allow the last million to upgrade.

However, if we can upgrade, should we not try? Should we not try to get the most out of the hardware we've spent our money on and are happy with?

So, speaking for the xda guys and gals, we are, as lawyers would say (and I am a lawyer, so I say it), somewhat reckless as to the consequences of our actions! We dive into the latest upgrade, take it apart, strip it down, build tools to decrypt, decompile, recompile, reflash, and ultimately cook your own DIY rom. The guys (and gals) are enthusiasts, and will try to tweak and refine. It takes time for us because often we don't know what we're doing, and have to do it all from the ground up [and don't forget: support your local rom chef. PLEASE don't complain and curse, advise and help. They work hard! And we're all people with feelings: if you prick us, do we not bleed?]

In a very very roundabout fashion, I hope I've explained a little of my personal motivation for jumping on the opportunity to upgrade. Now that doesn't always mean that I will. A brief segue, and a funny story:

I have been asked to be one of the "experts" on the Pocket PC Annual Awards. One of my perks is that they send me the latest edition of the Smartphone and Pocket PC magazine. It's HIGHLY recommended. Buy a subscription now. You will get to see a photo of me, and that alone makes it worth it.

So anyway, on the cover of this month's magazine, it proudly proclaims:
"Windows Mobile 6 phones are HERE!"
I chuckled when I saw this.

I am far from the most connected guy around, but let's say, I know "friends" that were running WM6 for getting on close to a year. Very stable, very usable versions of WM6, for various devices. These friends are generally very very careful about who has access to these leaks. And they are very concerned about the risk to the leak-er, the person giving them access to leaked roms, because people shouldn't lose jobs because of this.

So, if the "public" is wondering why leaked roms don't always get released to the masses, it's because sometimes they don't want to risk anyone getting into major trouble.

But, when possible, they try to share with the public, and to feed the useful, stable parts back into the community. And yes, cutting edges can make you bleed, sometimes. But caveat emptor.
If you do not know how to reflash and repair your phone, don't risk pre-release roms.

But, if you like to live on the bleeding edge, sometimes it's a real revelation.
The Hermes was a much better device with WM6, and the Universal suddenly became much more usable.
In fact - some of the pre-release roms were, from experience, better then the current "official" roms, which have slower bells and whistles, and are generally more bloaty.

So, again, caveat emptor, but if you're prepared to take the plunge, and know what you're doing, sometimes, it's worth it.

V

PS Obligatory iPhone reference: Apple once again raised the bar with manufacturer controlled upgrades - they can upgrade the phone directly through itunes, rather than waiting for AT&T to get around to it in their own time. And as iPhone hackers have seen, they pushed upgrades through very quickly. Compare that with the sporadic and tardy fashion in which the Windows Mobile community receives upgrade love.

PPS Illegal rom updates: if anyone finds anything illegal on XDA devs (or indeed this forum), let your local moderator know. I'm always happy to receive posts from concerned xda devs users.
 
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:57 PM
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XDA Ping Back:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322881

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