[tabi13]

I understand how the iPhone interface can totally WOW people. Its fluid and all and has the appeal for smartphone newbies to get attracted to smartphones (though a closed platform that needs to be hacked or jailbreaked for external apps is not really a smartphone otherwise my PSP can also be considered smart!) but a old time Windows mobile user saying this? Its sad!
Yes Windows Mobile can be intimidating for a non power user initially but can a non power user really easily set up his iPhone to work with Exchange? How can a device that is built around a media player be seriously considered a business tool. I ask the Chris to answer these questions.

1. Can you really use the iPhone as a tool for your exchange emails with powerpoint attachments, excel attachments, word attachments. (to edit, make changes, manipulate data in XLS files like you can in Pocket Excel and mail it back: this is linked to point 4)
2. Can the iPhone support voip and be your cell number as well as your office extension over SIP (and or your Voip local number)
3. Can the iphone integrate with GPS to REALLY give you directions relative to your EXACT position?
4. Can a non power user use the iPhone to view, edit excel and word documents (i know a lot of non power WM users that buy WM devices for this purpose alone)
5. Can your iPhone be remotely wiped in case of being lost so company data is not compromised. Can you set up the iphone to sms you if an unauthorized sim is put in?

Yes, the Windows Mobile platform is not perfect and has its glitches but can the iPhone REALLY be used to do even half the things that WM users can do without jailbreakng the device and then using clumsily written applications that are not optimized for the platform since no SDK is available?

Critisize the WM platform, suggest improvements, reiterate EVERYTHING wrong with it, even compare it to Symbian S60 like on the Nokia E Series for a business mobile platform but FOR GODS SAKE DO NOT compare something like the iPhone to it as a business device unless your business is talent scouting for new MUSIC talent just cuz you can use 2 fingers at a time to zoom in to picture and webpages!!

EDIT
And whats all this about Contacts being easy to find in iPhone. It just scrolls through the whole list in a fluid motion. What else? Is everyone forgetting the smartdialer that comes builtin with WM Standard devices and can be installed on WM Professional devices that not only matches your contact names through T9 style input but at the same time, also the phone numbers (incase you just start dialing a number from memory) and it ALSO searches in your received, dialled and missed call list for numbers that are not in your contacts. I yet have to see anything as useful in ANY other Contact search/integration. This is an area WM wins HANDS down (even if functionality is not builtin, alteast we are not waiting for someone to unlock the platform, release the SDK so that this functionality can be provided)
How can someone who has been using WM for 7 years fall for gimicks like a scrolling list for contacts and declare it the better alternate unless they were paid for it!! (And to Chris and all other like him, get SPB Pocket Plus 4 and Smart Scroll all you like but tell me if its better than Smart Dialer)

[tabi13]

I understand how the iPhone interface can totally WOW people. Its fluid and all and has the appeal for smartphone newbies to get attracted to smartphones (though a closed platform that needs to be hacked or jailbreaked for external apps is not really a smartphone otherwise my PSP can also be considered smart!) but a old time Windows mobile user saying this? Its sad!
Yes Windows Mobile can be intimidating for a non power user initially but can a non power user really easily set up his iPhone to work with Exchange? How can a device that is built around a media player be seriously considered a business tool. I ask the Chris to answer these questions.

1. Can you really use the iPhone as a tool for your exchange emails with powerpoint attachments, excel attachments, word attachments. (to edit, make changes, manipulate data in XLS files like you can in Pocket Excel and mail it back: this is linked to point 4)
2. Can the iPhone support voip and be your cell number as well as your office extension over SIP (and or your Voip local number)
3. Can the iphone integrate with GPS to REALLY give you directions relative to your EXACT position?
4. Can a non power user use the iPhone to view, edit excel and word documents (i know a lot of non power WM users that buy WM devices for this purpose alone)
5. Can your iPhone be remotely wiped in case of being lost so company data is not compromised. Can you set up the iphone to sms you if an unauthorized sim is put in?

Yes, the Windows Mobile platform is not perfect and has its glitches but can the iPhone REALLY be used to do even half the things that WM users can do without jailbreakng the device and then using clumsily written applications that are not optimized for the platform since no SDK is available?

Critisize the WM platform, suggest improvements, reiterate EVERYTHING wrong with it, even compare it to Symbian S60 like on the Nokia E Series for a business mobile platform but FOR GODS SAKE DO NOT compare something like the iPhone to it as a business device unless your business is talent scouting for new MUSIC talent just cuz you can use 2 fingers at a time to zoom in to picture and webpages!!

EDIT
And whats all this about Contacts being easy to find in iPhone. It just scrolls through the whole list in a fluid motion. What else? Is everyone forgetting the smartdialer that comes builtin with WM Standard devices and can be installed on WM Professional devices that not only matches your contact names through T9 style input but at the same time, also the phone numbers (incase you just start dialing a number from memory) and it ALSO searches in your received, dialled and missed call list for numbers that are not in your contacts. I yet have to see anything as useful in ANY other Contact search/integration. This is an area WM wins HANDS down (even if functionality is not builtin, alteast we are not waiting for someone to unlock the platform, release the SDK so that this functionality can be provided)
How can someone who has been using WM for 7 years fall for gimicks like a scrolling list for contacts and declare it the better alternate unless they were paid for it!! (And to Chris and all other like him, get SPB Pocket Plus 4 and Smart Scroll all you like but tell me if its better than Smart Dialer)

[Dyvim]

Originally Posted by peterf

This site is about Windows Mobile, if you love your iPhone so much and dont like Windows Mobile, why are you even here?

Chill out peterf. Why don't you check my posting history to see why I'm here. This thread should be about comparing the 2 platforms and whether or not there is a valid case for use of the iPhone as your business device instead of Windows Mobile.

And it's not my iPhone.

And yeah, I have heard of Windows Live Search. It's a step forward but still behind the iPhone IMO.

[netboy]

Iphone is a joke! Iphone is for computer lliterate! When my bro or coworkers see me playing with my windows mobile. they said this to me, "wow! is this the iphone?" just cus it' has a touchscreen on it!
Greeks and business men dont use iphone! Iphone is just a toy!
name 1 thing that iphone can do and my windows mobile cant.
and i can name 10 things windows mobile can do, and iphone cant.

[unxmully]

Originally Posted by tabi13

How can a device that is built around a media player be seriously considered a business tool.

Help me out here, I seem to have missed something. When did this site become PocketPcsAreOnlyAllowedToBeUsedForBusiness.com?

My boss just bought his wife an iPhone for personal use, not business. I don't use my phone to access mail because it then becomes hard to separate work from life. The other three people in my house don't use phones for work.

So why is it that you can only see the iPhone as a business tool and not a phone with an in-built iPod/an iPod with an in-built phone? Apple certainly don't sell it that way.

[netboy]

Originally Posted by unxmully

Help me out here, I seem to have missed something. When did this site become PocketPcsAreOnlyAllowedToBeUsedForBusiness.com?

People drive Mercedes to do business. i guess this site should talk about Mercedes too?

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by peterf

Get this s**t off here. He sounds just like those douches on their commercials. f*** the iPhone! No one is paying him? Yeah right!

If you've been a long-time reader, I thank you for that, but you should know that f-bomb dropping in our forums isn't appreciated or appropriate. I'm sure you can make your point without resorting to cursing.

Originally Posted by peterf

This site is about Windows Mobile, if you love your iPhone so much and dont like Windows Mobile, why are you even here?

I enjoy using Windows Mobile, but I believe it can be radically improved on many levels, and if the success of the iPhone forces Microsoft to improve their OS, then I welcome it and so should you.

[unxmully]

Originally Posted by netboy

Iphone is a joke! Iphone is for computer lliterate! When my bro or coworkers see me playing with my windows mobile. they said this to me, "wow! is this the iphone?" just cus it' has a touchscreen on it!
Greeks and business men dont use iphone! Iphone is just a toy!
name 1 thing that iphone can do and my windows mobile cant.

Does visual voicemail work on a windows mobile phone?

and i can name 10 things windows mobile can do, and iphone cant.

Good lord. The PocketPCThoughts.com gene pool could definitely do with a dose of chlorine.

[unxmully]

Originally Posted by netboy

People drive Mercedes to do business. i guess this site should talk about Mercedes too?

Nope. I read that a couple of times and each time it made no sense.


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[Jason Dunn]

Let's try to keep this thread polite people, even if we're disagreeing with each other. Thanks.

[seaflipper]

As a long time WM Smartphone and WM PPC Phone user I have to agree with Chris's points - he speaks to exactly how I feel after getting an iPhone on Sunday and putting my Treo 750 aside.

Sure there are lots of things that could be better (way better in some areas) on the iPhone but with the SDK being released in February I am very confident a lot of those things will get addressed. Additionally I expect Apple to make significant improvements to the device as time goes along.

There are so many things about the iPhone that just make it a killer device. Sure, some of the are the first time "wow" factor things that eventually fade away but I can't bear to pick up my Treo 750 anymore. It's not just my typical device honeymoon period here. There are some truly innovative things about the iPhone that make it so intuitive and easy to use.

I am an Exchange Active Sync Push Email User and that along with the keyboard were my biggest fears in switching. However, I have not found it to be that painful - in fact the keyboard is actually going to be faster to use with a little more practice and IMO way more flexible than a physical keyboard - the idea that the keyboard can adjust based upon the type of typing you are doing is amazing - web vs. email usage etc, it makes so much sense when you start using it. Certainly true Exchange Active Sync would be awesome on the iPhone but even without it the other enhancements that apple has made outweigh these shortcomings - AT LEAST FOR ME. I certainly understand that the iPhone is not for everyone however.

I spent about 2 weeks reading through iPhone forums and finding out what folks thought about the device and what issues they had with the device. I bought the iPhone understanding the limitations and in the end decided that I could live with those limitations for now until 3rd party apps start coming out in the spring.