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Old 04-09-2009, 04:37 AM
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I almost never zoom using the "pinch" maneuver. Apple (and Palm, and I presume Opera) added a "double-tap" which zooms to the column you're tapping on.
That's a relief. That's been on my mind since I've seen people do the pinch.
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Old 04-09-2009, 06:43 AM
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I really, honestly like my iPhone, even though I hate nearly every decision Apple has made, ever. And I constantly find myself wishing for more buttons, for media player functions and text messaging especially. The Pre looks good because it's got a slide-out keyboard that stays hidden when you don't need it; why can't more manufacturers follow this path?
 
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Old 04-09-2009, 08:07 AM
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Except for me; my two year contract is up in December, and I don't feel like paying a fee to break it.
Understood, but are you going to buy some other touch screen device just because it also has swipes and flicks?

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It must be ten times better than Windows Mobile 6.0 Lame Edition then, which cannot search calendars(!), cannot set a category for calendar items(!!), cannot set, say, a 20 minutes alarm for an event(!!!), has a completely lame browser, has no copy/cut/paste. Etc.

What one finds beautiful another finds ugly.
6.1 is not great but it not as bad as 5.0/6.0 and deserves a mention when deciding which platform to go with. I don't even hear WinMo as an option in my circles anymore. M$ has changed the name so many times, consumers I talk to don't know what it is at all. It's hard to say how much better it is since I thought 6.0 was the same as 5.0 which was pretty bad. All my friends jumped ship at 5.0.

6.1 added threaded messaging and filtering in most pim apps. More importantly since this is a buttons thread, there are hotkeys for most functions like reply, forward, mark as read, etc. 6.1 Standard also added copy/cut/paste although it's by by choosing menu after menu, after menu but it works. I use 3rd party apps for tasks, notes, and search. Thanks Microsoft. Pocket IE works great for mobile sites. I even use it on my Pro device for most browsing.

Anyway, I was just trying to say I like d-pads. I like jog wheels. I like having some app buttons.
 
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Old 04-09-2009, 12:20 PM
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I really, honestly like my iPhone, even though I hate nearly every decision Apple has made, ever.
Wow, amidst the discussion on buttons, an interesting insight into Apple. Their products are alluring even when one dislikes the company. Whatever else people may say, I suppose this is a nod to their designers and engineers (rather than their leaders).

Great feedback everyone - I have a love/hate relationship with buttons. When I've taken the time to map them out just right, I love them. The rest of the time, they simply take up space.

Best button mod I ever saw, come to think of it, was SmartSKeys on my K-JAM, turning the softkeys into long-press action buttons for start and close. In a time before dedicated Start menu buttons...
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Old 04-09-2009, 02:13 PM
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So the Touch Pro has a "home" and "back" button right? I assume those buttons are really only applicable to TouchFlo 3D. So if you disable TF3D you can't remap those buttons to, say, the start button and close button? That's lame. I assume you could with 3rd party software.... ?
 
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Old 04-09-2009, 02:28 PM
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So the Touch Pro has a "home" and "back" button right? I assume those buttons are really only applicable to TouchFlo 3D. So if you disable TF3D you can't remap those buttons to, say, the start button and close button? That's lame. I assume you could with 3rd party software.... ?
The "home" button would probably map to the required "Windows" button for WM6.5. I don't remember if a back button is required by Microsoft.
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Old 04-09-2009, 03:08 PM
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Understood, but are you going to buy some other touch screen device just because it also has swipes and flicks?
Since I use Macs, since I have a Mobile Me account, since AT&T is the only company with a 3G signal at my house - it just makes more sense for me to go with an iPhone. (Because my current phone is with Verizon and they do not like WiFi for some reason, that will be an additional bonus while at home - I can do data over WiFi much of the time that I cannot now.)

I will say that I am much happier with WM when I discovered NuevaSync and realized that I could keep the phone updated with current info over the air rather than syncing with the Mac. I just could not get any Mac syncing app to work reliably. The "Missing Sync" is aptly named, at least in my case (many people have good luck with it - I simply never did.)

As for the original question, even back in the Pocket PC days I was happy to have hardware buttons, and I do use the few that I have in WM Standard. I think in WM's case that they are important, so long as their inclusion does not make usability awkward.
 
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Old 04-09-2009, 03:51 PM
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I want buttons, and I want a lot of them. Ever since I used a Treo I've fallen for the formfactor of a nice screen with a qwerty keyboard on the front. The Palm Pre looks to be a nice solution: one handed typing, but still a large screen. Hmmmm.....
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Old 04-09-2009, 05:21 PM
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Find that I miss the Application Buttons more than expected.
For example: on the Axim, pressing the Calendar Button turns the device on & navigates to PI's Calendar screen.

Find myself pressing either the Home or Phone (talk) buttons on the Fuze, expecting SOMETHING to happen - then sighing & finding the Power Button....
 
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Old 04-09-2009, 07:29 PM
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A few years ago, I saw an ad for a digital music player. I commented that I didn't think it would work if there was a device that can do music as well as a number of other features (PDA's). That device I dismissed was the Ipod. I learned that I am not the typical user. As I help my family and my wife's family with gadgets, I find that they are the typical users. Simplicity which stems from convenience is the key. So when I say that I really want mappable buttons and a dpad, I figure that it's not what most people want. While I wish AT&T will have my ideal device (I am in the market to replace my old 8125), I'm figuring that they will be moving away from my ideal device to one that everyone else wants. So I'll have to compromise or pay double to triple of a subsidized phone to get what I want.
 
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