How to construe that any other way is beyond me. It's all good. I've made my point and defended what I've said enough for one night.
You haven't experienced subscription because you can't and are also closed to it. That is in no way a personal attack since all I'm saying is iTunes is the black and white world. That's like saying a blind man doesn't know what the sun looks like because he can't see. Not an insult...simple a statement that you haven't experienced subscription so you really just don't know at all what its about.
They don't claim to and then deliver on the feature half-way.
That's my point, though - you seem to be under the impression that they promised something different. I think they delivered exactly what they promised: A way to share music with friends, not a way to share files with friends.
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Don't be at a loss. That was the way I understood it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Fair enough, my bad - your post implied that any need to use a wire for syncing wirelessly made the implementation of the feature suspect.
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When did calling a feature meaningless become insulting someone? I don't think I ever said YOU'RE meaningless. If I did, and you can find me that quote, I'll happily apologize.
My opinion (shared by others) is that subscription music is a valuable resource. Your response is that subscription music is meaningless. My point is that I will argue the merits with you, not simply call your points meaningless.
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It's the biggest both in sales and library. By having the biggest library, by default, there are things there you won't be able to get elsewhere (aside from brick and mortar).
Yeah because it's definitely going away. Emusic and Amazon FTW, huh? Truth is that we've been hearing about how DRM will die and yet day in and day out, it hasn't gone anywhere. Have things lightened up? Sure, but it's still there.
No, just Amazon. The few bands with the clout to insist on DRM are going to be the exception.
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Is it? It hasn't worked thus far.
My frustration comes from a very simple perspective. Microsoft had a prime opportunity to dominate the market, and instead came out with the first Zune. Fair enough. First gen devices don't usually blow us away. Then they came out with Zune 2.0 which was, essentially, the same device with different firmware. Now they have the new Zunes which, again, are almost the same as the prior generation. Microsoft doesn't seem to want to compete on anything but price; that to me spells disaster.
That is just so completely untrue. Look at the v1 and the v2 HDD players - they look nothing alike from a hardware perspective. Zune 2.0 was a drastic hardware change, and they introduced a line of flash players. What more can you ask for? Now, I agree that v2.0 to v3.0 was a joke. That should have been v2.6, not v3.0.
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A couple of years ago, Samsung pursued that same strategy. They decided they were going to "flood the market" with inexpensive devices that everyone who didn't want an iPod would buy. They didn't want to compete on features either, and yet many of their devices had the same features as the iPod. What happened? Well, when was the last time you saw someone using a Samsung MP3 player?
Exactly.
Microsoft, the only chance at a legitimate competitor for Apple's iPod, has dropped the ball and decided to be "Not the iPod." That may work for some people. Hell, there's even a site called "anythingbutipod.com" for people who want anything but an iPod. But if you're going after the mass market, saying you're not something as a reason to motivate customers just doesn't work, as the Zune's "success" has proven.
I would love to see Apple get some serious competition. It would motivate them to improve their devices if someone was breathing down their neck. That's my frustration right now, and that's where this post came from.
There is no doubt from the opinions in your "editorial" show that your as much of an Apple fan boy as Daniel Eran Dilger at roughly drafted. We are seeing consumer spending drop to it's lowest point in decade even Apple's Ipod sales are starting slow down. fficeffice" />>> >>
Microsoft is simply cutting prices to try and move more inventory in these terrible economic times. Something every retailer is doing as well. If Microsoft wanted to clear out inventory then the discounts would be much deeper like when they deeply discounted the first generation Zunes last year. >> >>
It's a shame that this fallacy redden dribble originated from the same group that provided very fair and UNBIASED coverage of the Zune. The fact that your waffling about the whole situation is even more entertaining. Please take your fan boy editorial and shove them.
I'm going to step in for Vincent here (not that he asked) - please keep it civil. While I disagree completely with his premise, and I do think the original post is a bit over the top, Jason's sites are worth visiting because the posters are knowledgeable, the conversation is spirited, and the topics rarely degrade into unpleasantries. I would like to see it stay that way.
I'm going to throw something else in here...the iPhone saw a, what, 66% price cut from Gen 1 to Gen 2? Was that as equally desperate and bad?
Just throwing that out there.
I believe the price paid to Apple for the iPhone actually went up from 2G to 3G (btw, what are they going to call the next one? 4G? Even if it's on 3G?), but the carrier-paid subsidy made the end-user cost go down.
That said, Apple did just lower the prices on their MacBooks, didn't they? Perhaps that's the more apt comparison - that's a market where they are competing against the established giant.
I believe the price paid to Apple for the iPhone actually went up from 2G to 3G (btw, what are they going to call the next one? 4G? Even if it's on 3G?), but the carrier-paid subsidy made the end-user cost go down.
That said, Apple did just lower the prices on their MacBooks, didn't they? Perhaps that's the more apt comparison - that's a market where they are competing against the established giant.
I think any price cut is a valid comparison. But the MacBook price cuts work just as well. Clearly that was an act of desperation given Apple's slim marketshare?
I'm going to throw something else in here...the iPhone saw a, what, 66% price cut from Gen 1 to Gen 2? Was that as equally desperate and bad?
Just throwing that out there.
No, the iPhone was just vastly overpriced on its initial release (and then subsidized in its 2nd incarnation).
This would be akin to MS pricing their Zune 16 at $299 initially and then reducing its price to a more reasonable $199 (and then reducing it to $99, but with a 2 year commitment to the Zune Pass).
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It can be justified however anyone wants to justify it. Considering how much less you can buy a flash player for than the Zune or iPods I'd say they both are over priced. And that just distracts from the initial point (and the one made about the MacBooks). Why is that ok? Clearly because Apple is desperate?
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But the MacBook price cuts work just as well. Clearly that was an act of desperation given Apple's slim marketshare?
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