Re: Symbian Claims To Leave Windows Mobile In The Dust
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Originally Posted by alese
Microsoft had 0% market share in smartphones when they started in 2002/2003. Now 3 years later, they have roughly between 25-30% (judging by the numbers above), so in another few years who knows.
These numbers don't support the view that WM is growing relative to Symbian:
The windows mobile OS is a pretty good PDA OS. There, it doesn't really matter if you have to soft reset three-four times a day to get bluetooth working or if it crashes regularly. Just swear a little, reset and keep going.
In a phone things get different. There, the OS just can't behave like that, it drives people insane. I for one, a long-time PPC PDA user, won't buy a WM based phone because I want to be able to trust the underlying OS. I want the phone to ring reliably when a call comes in, I don't want it hung in some weird mode it just decided to go into. I don't trust WM to be bulletproof. Not even close.
Calling Symbian phones "feature phones" and dismissing them as that isn't just biased, it's quite incorrect. The OS is a full-on 32-bit multitasking OS and one that is both more tested and more reliable than WM. The fact that a vast majority of the phones out there (running Symbian 60 and smaller/older) are indeed phones with some smartphone functions included doesn't change the fact that the new UIQ phones and Nokia's Communicators are really full-fledged PDA's with phones - and that those machines are highly reliable, especially as compared to WM.
strange. I soft reset my k-jam 2-3 times a month and I use bluetooth 24/7 and toggle wifi on/off all of the time.
Well I don't find it surprising that you leave bluetooth on 24/7 due to the clumsy and counter-intuitive interface that WM presents (which is pretty much par for the course with just about any function in WM). I actually find it quite disturbing that you need to reset your device 2-3 times a month though, funny how you see it as a good thing. I've never owned any non-WM devices that required that kind of sympathy.
I just got a smartphone -- a Nokia 6682. I was hoping to get a WM5 device, but my rural (Montana) service doesn't offer any yet.
I must say I am pleasantly suprised by Symbian OS -- so far it's been very stable, and I love the fact that it easily runs (and quickly launches) MIDP 2.0 apps.
I still carry around my HP rx3115 of course -- the bigger screen is much better for reading ebooks.
Well I don't find it surprising that you leave bluetooth on 24/7 due to the clumsy and counter-intuitive interface that WM presents (which is pretty much par for the course with just about any function in WM). I actually find it quite disturbing that you need to reset your device 2-3 times a month though, funny how you see it as a good thing. I've never owned any non-WM devices that required that kind of sympathy.
yeah. toggling the BT on/off button is very confusing. :roll:
as to the soft resetting, I had to roboot/pull the battery from my Nokia 3650 far more often. and that is a symbian phone. My T68 was worse. as smart phones go, WM has been among the most stable i've used.
sorry you've had so much trouble with your WM phone.
I don't think you can use the Nokia 3650 as an example of the modern day quality of Symbian. It was released at about the same time as the original Orange SPV and that wasn't exactly the most stable of phones either.
To the original news poster - when you some Symbian phones are little more than feature phones, which was the last one you used that gave you that impressed and why? The ones my friends own (Nokia N80, N73, SE P990) seem very impressive.
strange. I soft reset my k-jam 2-3 times a month and I use bluetooth 24/7 and toggle wifi on/off all of the time.
(slightly) OT: Stick with that K-Jam then, Ed. I just got myself a Hermes (in the guise of a Vario II) and toggling bluetooth on effectively toggles Wi-Fi off. Well, the Wi-Fi is still on and drawing power, but it won't actually do anything when the bluetooth is on :evil:
Well I don't find it surprising that you leave bluetooth on 24/7 due to the clumsy and counter-intuitive interface that WM presents (which is pretty much par for the course with just about any function in WM). I actually find it quite disturbing that you need to reset your device 2-3 times a month though, funny how you see it as a good thing. I've never owned any non-WM devices that required that kind of sympathy.
This I really don't get. Somehow I find the current Bluetooth settings for handsfree kits pretty straight forward and simple. I too leave my BT headset on 24/7 if I can. But even if I have it on 24/7 there are times that I leave the BT headset in the car, on the charger, or in another room. I don't have any problems with it reconnecting when I'm within range. Have you ever thought that it might be the BT headset you're using which is not Windows Mobile firendly or simply of inferior quality? I use an old Bluespoon AX which is nearly two years old and it connects nicely to the Dopod 900 and 838, both tested with old and new ROMs without any problems whatsoever.
I don't reset my unit as often as Ed... I probably do a soft reset maybe once a month if ever. I run a fixed set of applications normally... a set of applications which I know and trust to perform well. Did you ever think of that as a contributing factor? People who know how to use Windows Mobile devices usually have a trusted set of applications they rely on. Another thing is that people who know Windows Mobile devices don't just get a device because they run on Windows Mobile... they also look at the company who made the device, finalized the ROM and if ever, what useless applications are preinstalled which hopefully can be removed.
Some Windows Mobile devices perform badly not because they run on Windows Mobile, it's because some users opt to install badly designed applications or in really bad cases, useless, memory hogging applications are added into the ROM over the standard Windows Mobile suite of applications by the ODM/OEM.
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Carlo GuerreroFotógrafo ProfesionalMicrosoft MVP, Mobile Devices
I don't post much here since I moderate over at brighthand and spend more time there, but I follow along. Anyway, I still use my SE P900 and love it. I have taken many of the most recent Palm and PPC based smartphones for a spin, and it seems the phone integration still eludes both MS and Palm. Symbian UIQ did it very well starting with the SE P800 (I also owned one), and I am looking forward to the P990, but I think the price will keep me looking for now. I have had to reset my P900 once, maybe twice in the last year, and I have a ton of apps installed, and constantly use bluetooth with a headset. In comparison, I have had 3 Windows Mobile, and 2 Palm smartphones for about a week each, and had to reset every one of them (except the Treo 650) several times just doing basic stuff. I believe part of the problem in the US is people are migrating from existing Palm and PPC devices. They want to continue using what they know, and have invested money in existing apps that they still want to use.
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