My wife is still using her Palm IIIc pda. Maybe she got lucky and got a good unit (no battery problems - knock on wood), or maybe she just doesn't use it enough to wear it out. The point is, there is very little reason for her to upgrade to a new Palm pda - there is little in the way of OS enhancements to encourage her upgrade.
But if I'm assuming correctly it sounds like your wife is also not compelled to move to Windows Mobile. Why? [Assumption] Because what she has meets her needs. And she's probably the typical user. [/Assumption] So her lack of upgrade is not just an indictment against POS but perhaps also WM.
As for PS locking down the platform to prevent 3rd party apps... that only referred to one of their vertical silos (is that redundant?) not the whole platform.
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But they are only making phones, and selling to networks, so unless you pay megabucks to get an unlocked device you will be stuck with carrier restrictions.
Presumably with a proper OS with proper security it will also be less easy to hack things to undo the restrictions.
woopie, yet another palm os is dead article on ppts... :roll:
We'll see... The truth is that the shift to linux will do more to save palm os platform than destroy it. Palm Linux will basically be Cobalt Api's over linux kernal, so most protein based apps should port easily afaik. In addtion PalmSource has its Feature phone product to compete with the likes of Nokia's Series 40 etc which btw will be a HUGE market, much larger than high end smartphones. PalmOS Feature phone does not mean the death of PalmOS platform, it means geater growth into larger markets. Palmsource wants to be a player in both highend/lowend. In additon, there will still be Cobalt for lisencees in meantime. Garnet has really come to end of its life cycle and it's much easier to design smartphone using Cobalt than Garnet. For this reason, I think it's correct to infer LG probaby lisenced Cobalt for smartphone os as it would make the most sense. Furthermore, it will be interesting to see if any carrier picks up the Oswin/GSL Cobalt smartphone. I think this development would spur PalmOne to release a Cobalt Treo imo...
The biggest negative I truely see is the complete focus on smartphones only. I still think there is a viable pda market and would hate to see palmos become exclusively a smartphone focused platform like Symbian...
The point is, there is very little reason for her to upgrade to a new Palm pda - there is little in the way of OS enhancements to encourage her upgrade.
jees....I see this kind of statement all time here. It's indicative of how ignorant WM users really are of modern palmos. Just b/c they might have used palmos device 3-5 years ago, they think they know everything about palmos, but they really do not. The only thing that's same is the UI, which while now becoming outdated was preserved in Garnet on purpose. Practically anything that you can do on WM, you can do on Palmos...
The reason that Pa1mOne split from PalmSource is, Pa1mOne still has to sell handsets while they're waiting for PalmSource to get its s**t together. The current Treo is the leading seller in its market segment, so spare me the obituaries. The next Treo will run Magneto, and will continue P1's market dominance.
While I would love to see a WM Treo, I'm not sure it's going to happen. If P1 had made the decision that WM was their future, I can't see why they would have given $30 million to PalmSource for the right to the PALM trademark. Heck they could have just bought the company for a few more million.
The problem with P1 moving into the WM world is that they would then have to compete with Dell, HP, etc for the hearts and minds of users. What market share they have maintained is typically from those who prefer the Palm OS, warts and all. Why would they want to alienate those users, only to have to compete to win them back without their only perceived advantage?
I am just wondering about your statement about Sony lying to you about their memory cards and the 1 gig size? That comment struck me as I have a 2 gig memory stick currently. Was it perhaps a limitation on the device you were using it with?
He's talking about the fact that Sony introduced Memory Stick Pro as a new technology that's not backwards-compatible with older Sony products, contradicting their claim years ago where they said Memory Stick was designed to scale. Many people bought expensive cameras from Sony but found it near-useless as the largest non-Pro Memory Stick on the market (excluding the Select, which was just a hack) is 128MB.
We'll see... The truth is that the shift to linux will do more to save palm os platform than destroy it.
Maybe, but the main point here is that PalmSource is tight on time, and the current release schedule points to them being years behind in rolling out the solution.
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In additon, there will still be Cobalt for lisencees in meantime. Garnet has really come to end of its life cycle and it's much easier to design smartphone using Cobalt than Garnet. For this reason, I think it's correct to infer LG probaby lisenced Cobalt for smartphone os as it would make the most sense.
We'll see. I remain skeptical, as do many others, of the possibility of Cobalt appearing on any device whatsoever.
The reason that Pa1mOne split from PalmSource is, Pa1mOne still has to sell handsets while they're waiting for PalmSource to get its s**t together. The current Treo is the leading seller in its market segment, so spare me the obituaries. The next Treo will run Magneto, and will continue P1's market dominance.
While I would love to see a WM Treo, I'm not sure it's going to happen. If P1 had made the decision that WM was their future, I can't see why they would have given $30 million to PalmSource for the right to the PALM trademark. Heck they could have just bought the company for a few more million. ?
Simple. They know their biggest asset is their brand, not the OS. This way they can sell a WM PALM. They could not do this with only 50% ownership of the brand name.
woopie, yet another palm os is dead article on ppts... :roll:
Once upon a time I would have agreed with you, but I think you'll find other web PDA related sites posting similar sentiment now that PalmOS as we know it is dead.
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We'll see... The truth is that the shift to linux will do more to save palm os platform than destroy it.
Interesting hypothesis, but wrong. Linux-based PalmOS is nearly three years away, and when it does arrive it will face an impenetrable market owned by Symbian and Windows Mobile. That lack of developer interest today is proof of this. You don't see Motorola, Sony-Ericsson, or Nokia lining up to get their copy of PalmLinux...and you never will.
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In addtion PalmSource has its Feature phone product to compete with the likes of Nokia's Series 40
Wrong again. They WILL have a feature phone product....in three years. Too little, too late, and given their financial status, PalmSource won't survive long enough to give birth to this mutant child.
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PalmOS Feature phone does not mean the death of PalmOS platform, it means geater growth into larger markets.
True, but you're speaking as though this product is available now. It's vaporware. And the company building the product is on death's doorstep. And you're assuming handset vendors will be lining up to license this OS when it does arrive. That ain't gonna happen. After years of struggling to develop PalmLinux, PalmSource will find an even greater challenge in trying to market it's wares to potential customers. Provided they are still in business at that time.
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In additon, there will still be Cobalt for lisencees in meantime.
An operating system that nobody wants? Cobalt is so bad even PalmOne won't touch it. In case you've been living under a rock, Cobalt was a complete failure. It's one of the reasons why Nagel was handed his briefcase.
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I think this development would spur PalmOne to release a Cobalt Treo imo...
The only "new" OS future Treo's are likely to ship with is Windows Mobile. And you can bet on that. With the end of Garnet comes a looming calamity for PalmOne: where do we go from here? The operating system that ship on its devices today is dead, with no future roadmap. And its successor won't appear for another 3 years. Where does that leave PalmOne? They can't keep limping along with Garnet for three more years hoping nobody notices the buzzards circling over Garnet's carcass. That means one of two things must happen..
1. Buy back PalmSource and take back control over the whole stinking mess.
2. Go shopping for a new OS.
I'm betting on the latter, because the former would be too costly and wouldn't really gain them anything considering PalmOS market share is shrinking while Windows Mobile is clearly the winning platform.
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woopie, yet another palm os is dead article on ppts... :roll:
We'll see... The truth is that the shift to linux will do more to save palm os platform than destroy it. Palm Linux will basically be Cobalt Api's over linux kernal, so most protein based apps should port easily afaik. In addtion PalmSource has its Feature phone product to compete with the likes of Nokia's Series 40 etc which btw will be a HUGE market, much larger than high end smartphones. PalmOS Feature phone does not mean the death of PalmOS platform, it means geater growth into larger markets. Palmsource wants to be a player in both highend/lowend. In additon, there will still be Cobalt for lisencees in meantime. Garnet has really come to end of its life cycle and it's much easier to design smartphone using Cobalt than Garnet. For this reason, I think it's correct to infer LG probaby lisenced Cobalt for smartphone os as it would make the most sense. Furthermore, it will be interesting to see if any carrier picks up the Oswin/GSL Cobalt smartphone. I think this development would spur PalmOne to release a Cobalt Treo imo...
The biggest negative I truely see is the complete focus on smartphones only. I still think there is a viable pda market and would hate to see palmos become exclusively a smartphone focused platform like Symbian...
Wow! You've completely swallowed the Kool-Aid. Ask yourself WHEN these things will be happening. Explain to us the time-line of each milestone. Read the Micheal Mace interview for their estimates.
I look forward to reading your answer, and your explanation of why POS will not be irrelevant by the time they come out with a PLinux phone.
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