[ctitanic]

Well, for me all these is a very smart move. Having the new PalmOS based in Linux opens a big door: Linux Open source developer's community

PalmOS has become a new Phoenix

[ctitanic]

Well, for me all these is a very smart move. Having the new PalmOS based in Linux opens a big door: Linux Open source developer's community

PalmOS has become a new Phoenix

[benixau]

Nope - PS is going to close it off - no thrid party apps - or at least in the fashion that we know it ... all of them will probably have to come from the carriers via OTA or something - this = $$$

[ctitanic]

Originally Posted by benixau

Nope - PS is going to close it off - no thrid party apps - or at least in the fashion that we know it ... all of them will probably have to come from the carriers via OTA or something - this = $$$

well according to what I have read, they are planing even to have backward compatibility to make current prcs running in a PalmOS-Linux enviroment

[bjornkeizers]

When will PalmOS 5 be EOL?

We're not doing significant additional development on Palm OS Garnet today. But licensees can continue to ship it as long as they want to (see my comments about Symbian 6 above).

Bwaahahahahahahahahah! Whoooo boy, I damn near fell out of my chair. Shipping stuff with Garnet would be like.. shipping a brand new desktop computer with a 2 gig drive and Win 98...

I'd say *Garnet* reached EOL about two years ago. Nobody wants an old OS. Palm was already bleeding badly and in need of serious help way back in '02, let alone now.

They won't be missed.

[benixau]

Originally Posted by ctitanic

well according to what I have read, they are planing even to have backward compatibility to make current prcs running in a PalmOS-Linux enviroment

cool - until the the yankee carriers get their mits on it ... then we will see artificial limits on it (Treo650 BT anyone?) etc etc ....

If PS can avoid this then way cool ....

[surur]

If Palmsource released PalmLinux today, it will still be 18 months before a phone gets released to the public. They claim PalmLinux will be available Middle 2006. This means the first phones will be available start 2008. (thats time for FCC certification and carrier testing included). We KNOW it will slip from Mid 2006 in any case.

Add to this the fact that the phone OEM's are not going to be flocking to PalmLinux in any case (what do they have which WM don't?) and that they would have lost all momentum, and I can say its very safe to say PalmSource is a dead man walking.

Regarding WM not being able to cover all the phone bases, I think this MS mobile phone begs to differ.



- 1.3 megapixel camera + Flash
- GPRS class 10
- 240x320 QVGA 262K TFT colour screen
- 64MB internal memory and Mini SD external memory
- USB, IrDA and Bluetooth connectivity
- Video MMS and download and playback
- Java 2.0
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news1306.html
(On sale now)

I would love to have this phone, just for the music buttons and WMP 10 (for music subscriptions). Its very small too.

The mobile phone networks in Europe get along quite well with MS, and consumer acceptance of MS devices are quite good. I expect they will go from strength to strength.

Surur

[andyb]

If Palmsource released PalmLinux today, it will still be 18 months before a phone gets released to the public. They claim PalmLinux will be available Middle 2006. This means the first phones will be available start 2008.

In the deal where palmOne bought the rights to its name, PalmSource was given the right to continue using various trademarks for three years. So these dates may not be too far out, but when it comes out it will have a new name altogether and may have no ties to Palm as we know it whatsoever.

[PDANEWBIE]

Off Topic -

Tim Rapson -

I am just wondering about your statement about Sony lying to you about their memory cards and the 1 gig size? That comment struck me as I have a 2 gig memory stick currently. Was it perhaps a limitation on the device you were using it with?

[mcsouth]

I will admit that I have often 'railed' at Ed's seemingly heavy-handed bashing of all thisgs Palm, and have occasionally felt the need to argue on their behalf. But in this case, I think Ed is right on the money.

My wife is still using her Palm IIIc pda. Maybe she got lucky and got a good unit (no battery problems - knock on wood), or maybe she just doesn't use it enough to wear it out. The point is, there is very little reason for her to upgrade to a new Palm pda - there is little in the way of OS enhancements to encourage her upgrade. Okay, she is definitely not a power user, but can anyone tell me if Palm has ever managed to get memory card support improved to where it is as seamless as it is on a PPC pda? I sure don't miss all of the third party apps that I needed to use on my Palm M505 in order to get some kind of reasonable usage out of a memory card. As much as I liked my M505 at the time, pda's in general have moved on, at least in the PPC world. However, I'm not sure that I can look at any of the new Palms and see any huge improvements over that M505, other than maybe landscape support, as introduced recently. In fact, I can't say that I have seen any Palm pdas released in the last two years that gave me any pause to consider jumping ship back to Palm. At this point, I feel like my HP 1945 has more to offer than most of the new Palms, and it is approaching two generations old (once the WM5 units come out).

I still keep downloading the latest versions of ShadowPlan as they are released against the possibility of the day I may end up with another Palm OS pda, but those chances appear essentially gone at this point...

[IcemanMN]

Embedded Linux will be the same threat to the PPC platform that Linux is to the Windows platform. I predict that Palm's GUI on top of Linux will be very successful, but I agree that locking it down will drive everyone away.

The reason that Pa1mOne split from PalmSource is, Pa1mOne still has to sell handsets while they're waiting for PalmSource to get its **** together. The current Treo is the leading seller in its market segment, so spare me the obituaries. The next Treo will run Magneto, and will continue P1's market dominance.