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Old 05-11-2005, 09:31 PM
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Having been a die hard Palm guy since the US Robotics version, all the way up untill the T5 I share my .02...

Palm is as good as dead if they don't start inovating once again. I would have loved to get a new palm, as a matter of fact the day the T3 came out, I got it, the day the T5 came out I got it...

I will not be buying any more Palms...

I have gotten sick and tired of waiting for Palm to develope something cutting edge. They have not. So I got a iPaq hx2415. While, there are features I miss, there are many new things, wifi, multi-tasking, today screen, the screen itself, and other things, that Palm just didn't offer.

I just don't see them, putting something out any time soon to make people switch to them. All they are doing by releasing new devices is trying to keep the flow of people switching from them to a trickle. However, by releasing half as@#d devices they are just driving more diehard fans away.

After a while you get tired of waiting for the next great thing. Pocket PC manufacturers already have them out!!!

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Old 05-11-2005, 11:26 PM
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I don't know... You're probably right, but I think there's sufficient market to warrant a Pocket PC with a large hard drive.
You reckon? :wink: I've been expecting one for ages. Shame Palm was first out of the gate here though. :?
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Old 05-11-2005, 11:45 PM
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You reckon? :wink: I've been expecting one for ages. Shame Palm was first out of the gate here though. :?
Not entirely. You could argue that Samsung's i300 was also the first out of the gate. While not being a Pocket PC, it still is a Windows Mobile device with an integrated HD.
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:03 AM
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Shame Palm was first out of the gate here though. :?
Not entirely. You could argue that Samsung's i300 was also the first out of the gate. While not being a Pocket PC, it still is a Windows Mobile device with an integrated HD.
True and I am only looking at Palm vs WM, not even taking the Sharp Zaurus into account.

Still, at least WM did beat Palm to the punch.
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:43 AM
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I have both platforms: a Dell x50v and a Palm T5, and I like both, in some respects, and dislike both in some respects. Either one pretty much does what I need to do with a handheld (I have a WiFi card for the T5). Some days I like one better than the other and some days it's the other way around. There have also been days when I've been tempted to throw both in the trash.

I may a bit older than the typical PDA user, I don't know (I'm 56), but I do know that my age gives me a perspective that I haven't seen expressed, yet. Specifically, I think back to the early morning hours decades ago when I watched the first manned moon landing, and I look at both PDAs and say "IS THIS THE BEST WE CAN DO?" I'm just amazed that handheld technology is not any farther along than it is. Sometimes I'd like to get hold of the corporate necks of both Microsoft and Palm and shake them and say "when are you going to get it right?" All you have to do is the read forums on boards for each of these devices to see a lot of dissatisfaction. Take the x50v, for example, a nice device overall, close to the top of the line and some would say at the top of the line: complaints about WiFi and Bluetooth not working at the same time, tons of complaints about memory management, and complaints about the VGA implementation of WM2003SE (not improved in WM2005) [many people use third party solutions to try to get a true VGA implementation and find that that's not quiet the perfect solution either), and, of course, the perpetual complaints that Pocket Word and Pocket Excel have been "almost useless" (seems to be resolved in WM2005). You can read numerous complaints about the T5, too (like of built-in WiFi being purt-near the top)

I'm not sure either camp can look at the other with pride and say: we've got the perfect device and you don't.

Just my 4 cents (inflation)
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Old 05-12-2005, 01:11 AM
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I bet they'll find out next that some people want to run more than one program at once...
Hate to break this to you (actually, I don't) but Palms CAN multitask, and I'm getting really, really tired of seeing this old myth trotted out.

The difference is that we're all familiar with pre-emptive multitasking, like Windows and OS X. Garnet supports co-operative multitasking, like Windows 3.1 or Mac OS 9. The biggest difference is that with co-operative multitasking, applications have to be written to support it, otherwise they don't multitask. In a pre-emptive setup, applications don't have to implicitly support multitasking; it's handled by the OS.

For example, in Garnet it's quite possible to leave your IM program running in the background while you do other things, but the IM program has to be written to support that (VeriChat does exactly this). Same for background email fetching (supported by SnapperMail, VersaMail and Chatter), maintaining network connections (handled by Garnet itself) and other cases where multitasking is useful enough to warrant writing the code to support it. Leaving a word processor running in the background is just a waste of memory on a handheld.
 
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Old 05-12-2005, 01:30 AM
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I don't know... You're probably right, but I think there's sufficient market to warrant a Pocket PC with a large hard drive.
You reckon? :wink: I've been expecting one for ages. Shame Palm was first out of the gate here though. :?
No they werent, the Zaurus line and in the PPC camp the Mitac Mio 269 all predate the lifedrive.
 
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Old 05-12-2005, 01:47 AM
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I'm not sure either camp can look at the other with pride and say: we've got the perfect device and you don't.
Well put.

For those that want an HD in their PPC, stick a microdrive in the CF slot (unfortunately that won't improve the OS.)
 
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:43 AM
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I was a Palm user since the original Palm Personal days (long time ago now) and have switched to PPC (even though I use Linux on desktop) after the disapointment that was the Treo 600... Not because MS produced some super great marvel of a product, but as Palm has completely lost touch with the market... They are living in the past IMO

I would love Palm to give me a reason to switch back, but they have missed the boat once again, releasing another PDA based on a OS as aging as MSDOS.. They have lost pretty much all thrird party manufacturer support, Sony I don't blame you

And I doubt very much they have a chance to turnaround.. Many strong Palm supporters are leaving them and for good reason... A couple of years back I never imagined my favourite PDA news site, CliePlanet (PDA247) would become WindowsMobile247 but who can blaim Shaun with Palm's short sighted (or should I say blind) management....
 
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Old 05-12-2005, 07:46 PM
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As for the built in hard drive. Can't wait to see how many people over the next couple years start complaining because of failed drives though. I trust those drives as far as I can toss the plant they were made in.
Personally, I think they will be very reliable. After all, I don't hear the millions of iPOD owners complaining about hard drive failure.
 
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