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Old 12-10-2005, 05:18 AM
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http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000830071819/

Looks like RIM could solve their problems and end the lawsuit by giving over a small percentage of their profits for the next 6 years.
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Old 12-10-2005, 05:34 AM
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Default EVDO in Edmonton

A quick aside for the question posted earlier regarding EVDO. Telus fired up EVDO in Edmonton last week. Nice and snappy performance, but I actually haven't been using it too much due to the pricing, I'm actually using the Wifi more. You can blow your way to the 50 Mb cap (on the so-called 'unlimited' plan) really quickly.

Hopefully Canadian EVDO prices will eventually drop.
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Old 12-10-2005, 06:50 AM
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Last article I read put the new projected settlement figure at around $1 Billion, stupid NTP is going to die by the very sword they used to sue Palm with, so they'll get no sympathy from me.

I find it terrific that RIM could (and should) have started immediately paying the $450 Million dollar settlement. The first $1.00 accepted as partial payment would have begun enforcement of the contracts, and been harder to undo by the Judge. (Not that he couldn't have done it though.)

Instead, they delayed, appealed, stalled, renegotiated, etc...now it'll cost them double. Good for them! I'm sure RIM's counsel is very proud.
 
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:39 PM
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Default Is Windows Mobile missing a golden opportunity with the RIM court case?

I wrote a little piece about this over at http://www.pocket.now.

What do you think?
 
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Old 12-10-2005, 06:19 PM
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Last article I read put the new projected settlement figure at around $1 Billion, stupid NTP is going to die by the very sword they used to sue Palm with, so they'll get no sympathy from me.
Unfortunately, all consumers - even thoughs of us that don't buy from RIM will lose if NTP wins on this.

It will simply embolden all the other parasites pay lawyers to extort money rather than working hard themselves to make a real product. The money they get simply comes out of the pockets of the consumers of the products that others make.

Do I like the fact that RIM did the same thing to Palm? No! But that certainly doesn’t mean that I relish the thought that this cycle continues. Unfortunately, the only winners are the societal leaches knows as litigation attorneys.
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Old 12-10-2005, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: Is Windows Mobile missing a golden opportunity with the RIM court case?

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I wrote a little piece about this over at http://www.pocket.now.

What do you think?
1) your link doesn't work
2) being your first post it looks like you regestered just to spam

But that's just me...
 
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Old 12-10-2005, 06:58 PM
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It will simply embolden all the other parasites pay lawyers to extort money rather than working hard themselves to make a real product. The money they get simply comes out of the pockets of the consumers of the products that others make.
I really don't understand this position. Are you saying that if I have a great idea and try to patent it but don't have the money to implement it, that it is ok for someone else to take my idea and captialize on it with no compensation to me? :?:
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:51 PM
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I really don't understand this position. Are you saying that if I have a great idea and try to patent it but don't have the money to implement it, that it is ok for someone else to take my idea and captialize on it with no compensation to me? :?:
No. I'm saying that if you simply file a patent for something and do nothing else but wait for someone to independently develop the same thing (without actually taking it from you) you shouldn’t be able to wait until they have saturated the market and then seek to profit from their hard work. That’s not what the patent system was intended for.

And in this case, NTP has plenty of money. As I understand it, they have investors and they buy up patents and pay expensive lawyers to grab money from others. The patent office was set up to encourage innovation by protecting inventors from competitors taking their “new and non-obvious” inventions. That’s not what I believe is happening in this case.

In the current system, the patent office doesn't have the ability to research patent claims, so they just issue patents for bogus claims and expect the courts to sort it out their messes. The problem is that the courts currently provide the benefit of the doubt to the patent holder, and it can take the patent office many years to revoke the patent. In this case, most of NTP’s patents that are part of their claim are now considered bogus by the patent office after a review. However, that is only a preliminary finding and until the patent office formally revokes the patents (and of course NTP has appealed the rulings) the judge considers the current status to be that the patents are valid. The patent office review process is years behind the court case.

So most likely RIM would prevail in this case if the parallel systems didn’t ignore each other. NTP has the advantage that the courts are moving faster than the patent office. I believe that the patent office will finally rule that the patents on which the cases stands are bogus. But by then, it will be years after RIM has already been forced to settle.

On the other hand, there has been statements by RIM that they have new products that get around the NTP patents. If this is the case, then what I think is happening is that RIM is just holding off as long as possible so that they can get their new products to market and then agree to the injunction. Then they can just tell NTP and their lawyers to “go pound sand.” :lol:
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:01 PM
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I'll save the space on quoting the above (daS), but I completely concur. The patent system (and I'm no lawyer, I just play one on PPCT) couldn't possibly have intended for ideas to just be horded by being the first to put it on paper. Rather, I'd like to believe the logical agenda of the PTO was to create a safer system that encourage the development (and I think that's a key term) of new-world efficiency for the good of the nation. Not developing (beyond concept) is about as valuable for the economy/nation's good as not having thought of the idea at all.

It would seem fair to allow a patent holder to have an appropriate amount of time to get the product developed and marketed, but to just allow a patent to sit on the books in some legal team's conference room drooling over the chance to take the easy way to profit hardly seems like a good idea.
 
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Old 12-11-2005, 01:00 AM
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It will simply embolden all the other parasites pay lawyers to extort money rather than working hard themselves to make a real product. The money they get simply comes out of the pockets of the consumers of the products that others make.
I really don't understand this position. Are you saying that if I have a great idea and try to patent it but don't have the money to implement it, that it is ok for someone else to take my idea and captialize on it with no compensation to me? :?:
Don't you think you have to do something though? An idea by itself is valueless, unless something is done to put it into action.

I work with Technical Ceramics. If you want to patent a material that, say, is to be used for microwave filters, you need to specify a composition range and show that you have done development work to justify why you are selecting those materials. No results, no patent.
 
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