02-22-2008, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikey
The point is taken from all the previous posts in the other VGA article from a few days back. That's why I carry two devices not to mention the iPOD. I am forced to carry the x50v as the PDA & the BB Pearl as a phone / email device. BUT I do like my pretty VGA screen. I take it you are fine with QVGA or maybe black & white/greyscale?
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Ha! Yeah, I never saw the advantage of anything over 16 shades of gray to be honest.
Seriously, that was more of a dig at Windows Mobile than at the whole VGA/QVGA debate. Maybe WM6 is getting better, but after seeing the guys here at work running WM5, I am happy to be running an older OS. I would love to replace my QVGA HP2210 with a VGA device, but I just can't justify the cost when my device does pretty much exactly what I need it to do at this time.
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02-22-2008, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveStall
Seriously, that was more of a dig at Windows Mobile than at the whole VGA/QVGA debate. Maybe WM6 is getting better, but after seeing the guys here at work running WM5, I am happy to be running an older OS. I would love to replace my QVGA HP2210 with a VGA device, but I just can't justify the cost when my device does pretty much exactly what I need it to do at this time.
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I agree that the 2210 is one of the greatest of all time. My best friend still carries one, albeit held together by crazy glue & duck tape. I love that form factor. I tried a WM5 device twice (8125 & Treo 750) & went back to carrying a trusty BlackBerry & my 3+ year old Dell Axim x50v. |
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02-23-2008, 02:34 PM
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nobody NEEDs VGA, but many want it. The ONLY argument there is against VGA is battery drain. And nobody can tell us how much more drain there is.
Everything else is irrelevant. Costs drop with scale. Graphics accelerators are common - and one day devices will have drivers for them too!
When someone gives us detailed stats on battery drain, performance, etc and we can have a more intelligent discussion.
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02-23-2008, 03:22 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Originally Posted by V-iPAQ
nobody NEEDs VGA, but many want it.
When someone gives us detailed stats on battery drain, performance, etc and we can have a more intelligent discussion.
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and how intelligent is that by saying "nobody NEEDs VGA"??
just cus U DONT NEED it! it doesnt mean nobody (else) need VGA!
i need VGA, i will not settle for anything less then VGA!
i dont care if it' Tytn III or Super Touch Cruize, if it' QVGA, i'm not interested! PERIOD! |
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02-23-2008, 05:39 PM
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02-23-2008, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by netboy
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I don't need to, nor do I really have any desire to do so. In my case, a QVGA device is plenty good enough. I believe that is the case for a good many, if not most, people out there. What it all comes down to is that there are different devices for different needs. I have a number of friends and co-workers that also use PDA devices (some Palms, some PPCs, some Blackberries) and while we all drool over the nice new VGA devices, not a single one of us can really justify spending the cash on a device that in the end won't serve our needs any better than the obviously inferior low resolution devices we already own.
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02-24-2008, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by netboy
and how intelligent is that by saying "nobody NEEDs VGA"??
just cus U DONT NEED it! it doesnt mean nobody (else) need VGA!
i need VGA, i will not settle for anything less then VGA!
i dont care if it' Tytn III or Super Touch Cruize, if it' QVGA, i'm not interested! PERIOD!
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I think you got need and want mixed up. Really wanting is not needing. Won't accept any less than is not needing. And arguments like this without any concrete reasoning just make you sound like a zealot and won't give makers any reason to switch.
No, you can't remote XP in VGA on a QVGA device, but you can remote XP in QVGA on a QVGA. Can you remote XP in WXVGA on a VGA device? If you need to remote XP regularly, won't the sluggishness of the X800 be a problem? And won't VGA be to small in itself?
I mean, I agree that more devices should go VGA, but I've heard no definitive reason on why they must ALL go VGA and why QVGA is totally unusable now. And until there is one, makers will make whatever they like and force-feed it to us. |
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02-24-2008, 12:25 PM
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Intellectual
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Originally Posted by V-iPAQ
I mean, I agree that more devices should go VGA, but I've heard no definitive reason on why they must ALL go VGA and why QVGA is totally unusable now. And until there is one, makers will make whatever they like and force-feed it to us.
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did u just come out from a cave? it' the consumers that control the markets! y do u think Eten, Imate, and Sony all making VGA/WVGA pdaphones? |
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02-24-2008, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by netboy
did u just come out from a cave? it' the consumers that control the markets! y do u think Eten, Imate, and Sony all making VGA/WVGA pdaphones?
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I'm trying to decipher that last one .. but I think I get your point. It is true that consumers ultimately control the market. If the demand was such that consumers refused to buy anything but VGA devices, then that is all we would see. QVGA devices would make up perhaps a tiny share of the market. That is however not the case, at least at the present time. I would bet that more IPAQ 110s will be sold in the next year than 210s. In the end, price is a huge factor. I know that the comparison isn't valid, but I hear people saying "Why spend $500 on a PDA when I can get a laptop for nearly the same price?" I still believe that most people don't need that much from a PDA. Those of us here on the forums perhaps look at our devices as pocket computers (as the name PPC would suggest). In this case, we are always looking for power and cutting edge features. In the other (I would say majority) of cases, for the average person that wants to keep contacts, to to lists and perhaps assorted other information, a cheap QVGA device probably has more functionality than they will ever need. Those are the people setting the market, not the few enthusiasts out there (in here).
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02-25-2008, 02:54 AM
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have an Axim x51V & an ATT 8525 both of which are running WM6. The difference between the VGA & QVGA screen is night & day. On the VGA the icons & text are so crisp & clear.
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